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I'm not even going to read any of the responses. Just going off of your original post, let a recent USD Law grad speak from the heart.  You may think you will work harder than everyone else in the world, that you have the fire inside, that no one knows what you are capable of, that the world has yet to reckon with a legal mind like yours....but transferring is tough man.  I knew a few cal western transfers to USD...thats pretty much where they all aim to transfer to over there, and they are one ruthless bunch.  you have met your match.

Iv Gotten a lot of feedback from this site. appreciate all of it!

I'm debating between Whittier (11,200 scholarship) or Cal Western (no scholarship).......I plan to be at the top of my class and transfer (I know I know, everyone who plans on attending T4 schools plans to transfer, and I understand that it will not be easy).
If any of you knew that you would not be retaking the LSAT again (154), which school would you attend based on the premise of being top 10-15% of class and seeking to transfer to:

possibly USC, STANFORD

Also, I understand that alot of 1L's @ T4's go in with the idea of transferring, does this mean that your average T4 1L class  could have very stiff competition in terms of GPA, considering that sooo many students are looking to pull off 4.0 GPA in hopes of transferring. Even stiff-enough competition to be on par with T3's? T2's?

ANY feedback is much appreciated  :mrgreen:

isn't it a bit soon to impart your wisdom? we've been out of school for only a day man!

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New US News Rankings...
« on: April 30, 2009, 01:20:56 PM »
shocked to see loyola LA down to 71! and USD up to 61!
pepper consistent at 55, santa clara consistent at 85.. UC Hastings still at 39.
can't wait to see how UC Irvine ranks.

USD was at 65 in 2007 though. isnt this a correction rather than a jump?

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New US News Rankings...
« on: April 27, 2009, 06:20:27 PM »
I do think employers pay more attention than some people think, but their scrutinization must be put into context. As one poster has asked (in a nutshell) below, "What are the given employer's purposes?" That would matter a lot. Secondly, #40-#60 might be considered the same "batch" of schools...but I think we can all agree that there's a difference between the top-10 schools and, say #30-#40, or #40-#60...mostly in terms of perception.

And a batch of #40-#60 will generally be perceived as "better" than most TTT, Wayne State, Howard, Syracuse and some others notwithstanding. That's going to affect recruiting, if only from the standpoint of OCI. The top schools have more resources, networks and long-held reputations for producing outstanding lawyers. It's not that other schools do not or cannot match up in terms of "substance", I believe the opposite, but, unfortunately, perception is reality. I wish we didn't have to look at rankings, but we do, to a certain point. If Seattle University could provide good employment, I would love to just go there.

If Chapman was good at getting people to BigLaw, I would go there or pretty much any California school. Ditto Howard and the other HBCU's. I was offered a full scholarship to go the Howard and turned it down b/c, despite its decent access to BigLaw (for the top-15%), its networks and a student body that would make me more comfortable than any in the country, I turned it down. With the top schools on my menu, I still agonized over the decision. But the top schools can provide BigLaw access for the top 60% of their students; that's a world of difference. In the Black community, you are pretty much aiming for T14 or Howard (ok top-25 or Howard for some). You consider the other schools in between on a case-by-case basis.

If the schools were treated equally by employers, we could pick according to what we really like. I suspect that most student choices would be different, and that's why the rankings are sad. I suspect that this is where the misery of many lawyers really begins, going to the wrong law school.

As a 3L I can tell you to a moral certainty that outside the name brand schools, rankings mean nothing.  It is all regional reputation.  Being in a number 35 school in Illinois will not help you get a job in southern California if  that IL student has the same grades as a USD or Loyola student. Going to Loyola will not help you get a job in Georgia, all things being equal, even if Loyola is ranked higher than whatever school is there.

What is going to help you get a job is the strength of your school's alumni network in your region, not an arbitrary ranking.  That being said, a high ranking can only be a positive thing for a school because it draws attention to the school and potentially students with higher numbers.  Outside of that though, the rankings will do nothing.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
« on: April 27, 2009, 06:11:25 PM »
there should be no question: Loyola. Loyola's rank is not indicative of its reputation in the legal community. also, outside of the national brand name schools, rankings will not help you get a job, it is your own personal grades.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New US News Rankings...
« on: April 25, 2009, 07:16:34 PM »
GWU will recover. These rankings are just musical chairs, and we are the only ones who care about them, besides the schools and some employers. And for those who don't know, IUB has been ranked that high before, I just didn't expect it to jump out of nowhere back into the top-25.

I'd say that even saying some employers care about them is an exaggeration.  I think employers care about where you went to school, but I don't think they look at the USNWR religiously to determine what they think about schools. 

I've had an attorney recruiter pull up the rankings while I was in the room.

I give up on life.  Are you kidding me? Really? Really?! REALLY!!! There is no reason to live anymore. This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in the past few months. REALLY?! Goddamn man, I am judging you.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: WTF Rankings
« on: April 20, 2009, 02:50:54 PM »
USD went up 21 spots from #82 to #61. Talk about a killer leap.

 USD was 65 in 2006, getting back to 61 isn't really a leap because it is just back in the spot it was 3 years ago

Pursuing an LLM / Re: UCLA LLM waitlist
« on: March 16, 2009, 08:07:16 PM »
one of the principal reasons i considered the ucla llm is because they have a concentration in bankruptcy. i have interned for the bk court, the US trustee and the 9th cir. BAP. Because my chances of employment at what I want to do seem dim at best, I thought an llm in bankruptcy would be a nice addition to my work experience. thanks for your insight though. I will keep the board posted as to my decision.

Pursuing an LLM / UCLA LLM waitlist
« on: March 15, 2009, 04:48:58 PM »
I have been put on the ucla llm waiting list. Is anyone familiar with the movement on the waitlist?

As an aside, is anyone aware of the prestige of a ucla llm? I am very aware of their usnwr JD rankings, but does the same correlate to the LLM program?  It has always been my impression that llm's are much easier to get into comparatively than the jd program because the best and brightest will have been employed after graduation and that an llm is not that great of an asset outside of tax law. as my classmate put it, "it is the last refuge of scoundrals."  Is this true? Do employers look favorably on an llm? I am currently a 3L at USD Law and I plan to pursue a bankruptcy/tax llm if admitted if that helps your answer.

Hi guys,
I can't believe no one w/ bad grades asked about this yet..:)

I recently discovered a passion for international law, and got all "A's" on a study abroad program sponsored by a high ranked school. I am REALLY interested in an LLM @ NYU, or if not: a school in DC (georgetown, american, or george washington), or UCLA.

However, my law school GPA is not that great (pretty much in the middle of the class), my school is around #60 (last time I checked), but I think my resume is lenghthy & 'rocks'.
I have various honors and a lot of experience, including pre-law school work @ reputable companies, a judicial clerkship, some public service, and small-medium firm experience. I'm also fluent in quite a few other languages and my transcript shows some improvement (1st year is what plagued me badly).

Also, I went to a top 10 undergraduate straight from high school and graduated w/ a 3.8.
thus, I feel i can 'rock' the personal statement, b/c my strengths are my life story, my experience, and my 'believed' and proven potential. But the JD grades, of course, are a mess.

did any of you (or someone you know) NOT graduate at the top 50% of your class, and went on to do an LLM @ a top school? If so, where?

or can anyone suggest what else I could do at this point to tip the weight to my favor? (publish something, work more yrs.? etc...) oh, i also plan to take and pass my state's bar exam before applying. 

thanks for any help or input!!!

I am in the same boat as you. I am applying to UCLA's LLM in bankruptcy, but my grades are avg at best and I also go to a higher tier 2 school (as an aside, I haven't talked about rankings in years, it seems those concerns evaporate as soon as you start law school doesn't it?).  I hope to write a great personal statement and I think my resume is decent. I've worked at the bankruptcy court, US Trustee and 9th circuit BAP. 

Does anyone know what LLM committees focus on? Is it the grades? Work experience?

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