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This board was entertaining and even educational last year while I was deciding where to go, so I thought I'd share some thoughts after a year of law school for the possible edification of next year's applicants.

One of the debates on here every year is whether to go to the "best" school that accepts you or to take the $$$ at a "TTT."  Obviously, "best" and "TTT" vary for each of us, but that's the general choice a number of people are making.  I turned down "T5" schools in Manhattan for a full ride at a "second tier" school in the market where I live and want to practice.  After a year, here are the ups and downs.

PRO'S: 
(1) Budgeting is not as big an issue because you have more money.
I am not rich, but I did work for several years before law school and it was very different to not get a pay check.  Much more different than I thought it would be actually.  After working and having money, it is strange to go to the grocery store and think about whether or not you can afford to buy something.  I can see how this would have stressed me out a lot more if I had borrowed three or four times as much money.

(2) If you get a full ride, it means you are starting with the lead in an event that is graded on a curve.
While school is work, and you should never take anything for granted, they spend a lot of money developing the LSAT and there is a reason that UGPA+LSAT (work ethic + talent) is the best predictor of first year success.  It is fun to get A's and A+'s, I admit it.

(3) If you are already in the market you want to practice in, you can invest more time in your housing situation, your networking and your community.
Many people have talked about the advantages of networking, but there are also advantages to just being someplace that is really your home, not just somewhere you happen to be going to school for three years.  I find it easier to invest time in building relationships with neighbors, friends, random people, etc.  I am more involved with my church than I would be if I were living somewhere I just went for school.
 
CONS:
(1) The rest of the students, and some of the professors, will occasionally frustrate you.
If you do not have patience with people who may not pick things up as quickly, you may find yourself thinking uncharitable things about your classmates and you may wish that the professor stopped calling on them. (Hint: resist the temptation to make up for their confusion with your brilliance; under the radar is a very nice place to be in law school and nobody needs to know why you are there)  Some of the professors may seem dim.  I had two professors who just weren't capable of challenging me, though they were very nice.  I also had two professors who really kept me on my toes and made me think, which was great.

(2) You will wonder if you would have done as well in "the big pond."
Getting A+'s is fun, but getting them at better schools is probably more fun.  I wonder if I could have done as well, and sometimes feel like all I am doing is getting A+'s at the kid's table.

(3) Your job options will be limited. 
I have a paying law clerk job in my 1L summer, but I am making $20/hour, not $2000/week.  My job is one of the "plum" ones available and a hundred other students would gladly take my place. I may or may not get OCI offers (touch wood), but only in this market and only with regional firms paying less than $100K. Only 10 or 12 people in my class will, but only 7 or 8 got full rides, and I assume there will be a lot of overlap.  I know that at least three of us are in the top 10 of our class.
All this is fine for me, but if you want big bucks and big law you are not going to do it from here no matter how many A+'s you get.

Well, not sure that adds anything, but hey, it's honest.  I think I made the right decision for me - saved $200,000 and was able to buy a house with a nice yard to live in during school and have a chance at the same firms I would be looking at from Manhattan - but I would be lying if I said there weren't several times during the year I cursed myself and wished I was in a high-faluting Ivory tower in NYC, hanging out with smarter, more driven, more successful people.

Hope this helps someone.  Hope all the people I "met" year before last had great first years and are doing wonderful fun things this summer.  Stanley, Red, John Gault - hope you are kicking some Ivy League keister!

Peace out all.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Asking about scholarships
« on: June 14, 2007, 02:21:08 AM »
He didn't say he didn't like it; he said beware of it.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Anyone quitting?
« on: May 08, 2006, 11:59:43 AM »
Leaving my golf pro job (3+ years here, 10 in the business) sometime this summer.  Gave notice a while ago, will work with them on the timing of a replacement. 

I wouldn't have changed careers to go to a T3 or T4 law school.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Most Tragic Death
« on: April 29, 2006, 03:47:57 PM »
Because the police failed to take seriously the collection and processing of physical evidence from the Cobain residence we will never know. 

Presumably there are every year some number of murder attempts that are disguised as suicides.  It is an open question how many are successful, but I would suggest that having a junkie for a victim would certainly not be a disadvantage because people are predisposed to attribute a suicidal mindset to a junkie.


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Actually dry crop farming in Eastern Montana had a lot of religious significance for the poor bastards who tried to believe in it.  Taming the wilderness and so forth.  Dreams of scientific soil cultivation and promises of Jeffersonian communities of virtuous and prosperous small farmers.  Didn't work out so well.  Australia, the poorest continent, probably is very similar. 

Have you ever been out there to Glasgow and Whitney and Mildred and the other barely hanging on old towns?  Pretty neat country. 

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Anybody know a good book on the religious aspects of dry crop farming in 19th century Australia? 

Just trying to stump Red! ;)

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Most Tragic Death
« on: April 28, 2006, 09:53:21 PM »
cobain is almost there....come on folks!

Kurt Cobain's death was certainly tragic, and as much as I loved Nirvana growing up, I gotta say he brought it largely upon himself.

Please kids, just say no to Courtney Love.

Donnie my man, even though I have to give you partial credit for the Dave on bass question (Jesus Don't Want Me for a Sunbeam from Unplugged, and I think one of the Meat Puppets songs (Oh me?) and also a "bonus version" of Endless Nameless with Kurt on drums and Kris on guitar), I gotta ask what the heck you are talking about here????

If he did kill himself, then he brought it entirely on himself.  If somebody else pulled the trigger, it is not on his head just because he was a junkie.  I think it is all or nothing here - 100% him or 100% somebody willing to kill for Courtney's money.  If the police had developed the photos of the scene then the blood splatter patterns could be analyzed and possibly provide hard evidence.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Most Tragic Death
« on: April 28, 2006, 12:34:37 AM »
I respect that, I really do and I would never claim Grohl to be a better lyricist. He doesn't take himself seriously as such anyway. But for me at least (and hence my own subjective judgement), lyrics are mostly irrelevant. I think you tell a story with your music and while your lyrics can be a vehicle for that I find they more often impede the message (again, that's just my opinion). So in regards to the point Lily was making about better songs, I believe the Cobain songs may have a broader appeal, possibly because the songs are simplistic, while Groll's music tends to be far more complex and at least from a technical perspective superior. As a teen I loved Nirvana. As I became more musically involved the music and Cobain began to bug me all that much more.

I can see all of your points.  I think that Grohl is a great drummer and a very good guitar player.  More than anything, he's good at coming up with riffs, which is imporant in pop music and in guitar music.  If you look back at Nirvana, the majority of the riffs were actually bass riffs, so a lot of the songs signature sounds came from Novaselic.

This is now becoming a sort of Lennon/McCartney.  I guess I'm a Cobain guy, but I like Grohl and his attitude and I think his output with the Foo Fighters has been a lot stronger than it's been credited for.  Plus his work on 'songs for the deaf' with Josh Homme/QOTSA was really great stuff.  It was like Nirvana +10 years.

Trivia question: on what Nirvana song(s) does Dave Grohl play bass?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Does anyone else hate this limbo?
« on: April 26, 2006, 11:55:28 PM »
Orky - congrats on Lewis and Clark!  What did you think of the campus?


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Most Tragic Death
« on: April 26, 2006, 11:28:39 PM »
Lennon seems to be the clear people's choice.

Would Cobain get more votes if his death was determined not to be a suicide?  Both passings mark the end of eras, but Lennon personified a longer era with more historical resonance than the debris and residue of the grunge years.

For those commenting on the "Judas" version of Rolling Stone, I suggest the version of Thin Man that precedes it is the superior track, especially the version from the film with remastered vocals.  Dylan hits higher highs and lower lows in concert than anyone except maybe the Dead, the Allman Brothers and Guns and Roses.

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