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Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: George Washington Waitlist
« on: July 31, 2007, 11:16:43 PM »
Forget GW...this school is the biggest LSAT whore I have seen this cycle.

Based on anecdotal evidence: I have a friend with a DUI, no work experience, mediocre gpa, NOTHING in his app.

but a 168 is all you need...

meh, no worse than NU, Duke, Cornell or BU.

Haha no so!  My friend didn't get into Duke nor Cornell  :D   I think the main reason for GW's whoreishness is that they are on that tipping point of top 20-top 15 and they have had LSAT scores of entering students at the ~165/166ish range.  However, they are really pushing now for that higher average score for their students, so essentially I envision their application screening process this cycle consisting of the director of admissions saying, "Ok, everyone with a 167 or higher is auto-admitted...don't bother reading anything else, just check the score and put them in the 167+ pile here."

I understand all schools are like this to an extent as you pointed out; I copmletely agree, but GW most of all this cycle.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: George Washington Waitlist
« on: July 31, 2007, 11:05:06 PM »
Forget GW...this school is the biggest LSAT whore I have seen this cycle.

Based on anecdotal evidence: I have a friend with a DUI, no work experience, mediocre gpa, NOTHING in his app.

but a 168 is all you need...

Incoming 1Ls / Brooklyn 2010 Anyone (PT in particular)?
« on: July 31, 2007, 11:01:59 PM »
I didn't see a Brooklyn class of 2010 thread anywhere (at least not on the first several most recent pages), so I figured I would start one.  In particular I was curious about touching base with anyone in the Part-time day program (I know some people had mentioned it previously on this board).

Where is everyone living??  I"m staying at my apt. in Manhattan (too lazy to move); Feil Hall looked beautiful, but being off the waitlist of course, no housing available there haha. 

Good luck to everyone (also bump this thread if you are part of the Facebook Brooklyn '10 class group).

I don't know why people are so eager to work in NYC. If you take COLA into account, Texas lawyers get paid more than anyone else in the country. If you live in Austin, you can get some degree of liberalism as well.

Yess....but it's Texas.   


It's Texas vs. NYC.

Your argument is like saying, "Why would anyone choose Filet Mignon over a Bigmac?  For the same price, you're getting SOO much more food...and both filet and Bigmacs are still beef when it comes down to it."

Yeeaaah; both Austin and NYC are cities, but c'mon;  I'll take NYC (and filet) any day of the week over TX.



WHAT are you talking about?  Haha you're crazy man.

You asked, "who cares?"  The reason I care is because I will be attending Brooklyn in the fall fighting tooth and nail for ANY decent NYC job and am curious as to what the context of this situation is; what kind of grades/gpa that kind of achievement takes.

Enjoy Michigan where you can simply drink scotch 22 hours/day for 3 years if you choose, then come out securing a position like we are discussing here simply by showing up in a tie and jacket to an interview (preferably on time and sober, but from what I have heard these aren't even necessary pre-conditions when considering the prestige of Mich Law).

Must be nice haha ;)

Don't you think it's odd that someone who would brag about getting a V20 job would be hesitant to divulge his GPA or class ranking?

Haha I don't know why the term "bragging" comes in.  I never said that haha...where did you get that?  I'm going to Brooklyn in the fall and thus I am curious about friend just said to me, "Oh, you know John is at Brooklyn?  He's working as a summer associate at a really big firm on Wall St."  No bragging here...I believe she just asked, "where are you working this summer?"

A friend of a friend of a friend of mine is a 0L at Cooley who got a job at Wachtell.

Why the flaming?  This is not a joke; I ask for an objective assessment because I have asked the guy, but he's on one of those types who really isn't privvy nor interested in discussing these, any attempt at discussing grades/gpa for example translates to, "yeah...well, I mean I did OK I guess."

Choosing the Right Law School / Brooklyn: Summer Associate after 1L?
« on: June 25, 2007, 11:56:59 AM »
A friend of a friend currently just completed his 1L at Brooklyn, he is a Summer Associate at a V.20 firm in NYC.  I don't know him very well, but I wanted to ask on here: how well must he be doing to achieve this kind of position?

Looking at the '07 roster of SAs at his firm, it's predominantly 2Ls from G-town, Harvard, Duke, Columbia, etc.; there are a couple other 1Ls, but I believe strictly NYU and Columbia.

Honestly, to secure this kind of position from Brooklyn after 1L,  This guy must have utterly dominated 1st semester correct?  Barring no connections (which is the case I believe; he has no family members nor family friends connected in law), the grades must have been top 5% class rank after 1st semester if not better correct?  Essentially A's across the board.  Thoughts?

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: should i go to nyls?
« on: April 25, 2007, 10:48:55 AM »
God I'm getting fed up with these constant links to blogs and message boards where nobody does anything but whining about how bad life is and blaming absolutely everything except themselves.

NYLS is not considered a joke by recruiters at all. It is considered a joke by 0L's here, and the only well funded complaint they've ever come up with is that it's an expensive school - and indeed, this is something to take into consideration if you're going to start your own practice, as that itself will be a costy and uncertain investment. The other reason NYLS keeps getting bad press is that it's in NYC which is a very tough market to break into, but plenty of NYLS grads do very well at good firms, so the school in itself is not a joke.

To answer your question, I'd say how much are you likely to be able to increase your LSAT score, and how much do you want to be a lawyer. If the answers are much on both accounts, I'd say stick it out for another year, prepare like insane for your next LSAT. If you're able to at least come close to a 160, even if not quite breaking it, you put yourself in a position with much more options.

If your feelings are that you can't improve much from your last LSAT, but still feel that you really want to be a lawyer, go to NYLS. I always make the assumptions that people who are post undergrad are able to figure out the financial part on their own. You know better than any of us if you can stomach $50-60k a year or not.

You are going to NYU man...I mean, that says it all.  I have 4 friends in NYU Law right now, and I cannot BEGIN to convey the difference between teh professional scope of their lives vs. my Rutgers-N degree.  I mean, literally people on LSD who are all 0Ls, mostly out of undergrad and thus with few peer friends in law school, actually OVERPLAY the potential from a low-tier school and DOWNPLAY the potential from a T14; the gap is actually even greater than most people realize.

My friends at NYU just get drunk all the time and party and they literally have almost EVERY top firm in NYC giving them offers; they explain how easy the interviews are and how, essentially grades are arbitrary, with the only consideration being if one wanted to work at Sullivan, Watchell, or Cravath, but it's silly because the guy who gets As vs. the guy who gets Bs both make $160,000 at the top firms in NYC!  

You're telling people about NYLS having decent prospects and stuff...haha, I think these blogs and sites are extremely useful in telling the truth about low-tiered grads in NYC/NJ; they don't apply to you man.  You undersatnd that, right?  They don't apply to you at all.

For the rest of us, not being in the top quarter of the class means potential unemployment for a long time after graduation and great difficulty finding ANY job period.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: should i go to nyls?
« on: April 25, 2007, 10:13:02 AM »
to be honest, if your plan is just to open your own practice then it doesn't matter what school you go to

This is only part of the story.  Consider that NYLS costs over 40k in tuition and fees alone:

"For full-time students in the 2006 entering class tuition is $39,496 and student service fees are $1,028"

Then you have to factor in living costs.  A JD from NYLS will cost you over $150,000.00.

Now you want your own practice, but initially, you'll probably be working in a smaller firm.  Will you be able to afford the loan payments on that 150k+ you borrowed?  How will this affect your credit?  How will it affect your ability to finance your new law firm in the future?  That 150,000 in debt will be a severe drag on your future options.

If reputation doesn't matter to you, save the $ and go to CUNY. 

If I were in your shoes, I would save $ now, and try to get into CUNY or another lower priced school.  I STRONGLY advise against going to NYLS on the basis of cost and your future aspirations. 

NYLS completely and utterly fails the stateofbeasley test in my signature.  It has low prestige, and it is not a public institution offering reasonable tuition.

That should answer your questions about NYLS.

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