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Just to clarify, it is NOT the ABA which is the monopoly. The US Department of Education is to blame as far as only permitting students at ABA schools to receive federal loans. As far as the practice of law, that is up to each state legislature and/or the highest court in the state. Many states have reciprocal agreements. If state A allows students from state B to practice, then vice versa. Unfortunately, there is only a handful of states that do this. Most say you must be ABA or from one of its own state accredited schools.
     

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The law school is the Jones School of Law.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Birmingham School of Law
« on: November 08, 2010, 07:32:43 PM »
Georgia does not require ABA accreditation. The state rules specifically state that if you attend a non-ABA school, then you must apply separately and there is a form you must have your school complete. This also includes an evaluation from an ABA dean. This is what the 2009 Batterson case was about.
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“[A]dmission to the State Bar is
governed by the Rules promulgated by this Court, which place the burden on the
applicant to establish the fitness to practice law.” In re G.E.C., 269 Ga. 744,
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745 (1) (506 SE2d 843) (1998). However, the Board may waive any of the rules
“for good cause shown by clear and convincing evidence.”3 The Board's waiver requirements in regard to education are based in part
on proof that the non-accredited school provides a legal education equivalent to
that of an ABA-accredited law school; an applicant must provide certain
documentation from an ABA-accredited law school demonstrating such
equivalence. In re Domantay, supra. To that end, the Board provided Batterson
with a copy of the “Waiver Process & Policy” and a two-page “Guidelines for
Dean’s Letter,” stating that such letter should be from a dean or the dean’s
designee on the faculty at an ABA-approved law school and detailing what the
analysis of the applicant’s legal education should include.
It only seems to make sense that that if state allows alumni from one non-ABA school (such as Birmingham or Concord), then they would allow other alumni from that school. The whole process is to evaluate the school and its quality in comparison to ABA schools. 

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Birmingham School of Law
« on: November 05, 2010, 06:27:50 PM »
The Birmingham School of Law has graduates in other states. Look up each state bar and search by school. I know what chart you are talking about and it is not accurate. For instance, it states that Georgia requires ABA-education, but that is not true. Georgia has Birmingham School of Law alumni practicing as well as a Concord grad.

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I would not do it, but there are several ABA schools that accept non-ABA credit. I have seen that Cooley accepts credit from state-accredited law schools, so this would not include schools like Concord. So much sure you do your research.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Novus Law School
« on: October 18, 2010, 04:58:57 PM »
Be careful, because some states require that you have a bachelor's degree BEFORE you begin law school. So if you are enrolled in a law school while finishing an undergrad, which some states allow, you will be limited in other states--even if they take other grads from your non-ABA school. Some ABA schools even allow students to enroll before they have an undergrad, but they too warn you that this will disqualify you from many state bars, even though you are an ABA grad.

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Actually, the Concord grad graduated in 2005 and was admitted to Georgia in 2008. So this was only three years. Georgia does not have a designated time period like some states. Florida has a ten year waiting period under 4-13.4 for non-ABA grads. In Alabama, only states that have reciprocity with Alabama's non-ABA schools for bar admission can sit for the state bar and then there is no waiting period. Otherwise, only ABA grads can sit. Currently, no states have reciprocity with Alabama so at present only ABA grads and Alabama's state accredited schools can sit for the bar. This is true whether you have practiced for 3, 5 or 10 years.

As for attending an ABA-school, that does not guarantee eligibility to sit for any state bar. This is commonly misunderstood. Cooley, for instance, only requires 60 hours. This is what the ABA allows. Some other law schools allow students admission as long as they have 3 years worth of college. In fact, the ABA specifically allows exemption from even having a bachelors if the schools deems it appropriate.  Many state bars will prohibit these ABA grads from sitting for the bar. In Alabama, you must have completed your bachelors before starting law school. It does not matter if you graduated from an ABA-school or not.

So be careful with the blanket statement that attending an ABA school allows you to sit for the state bar. Every state recognizes the accreditation of ABA schools, not necessarily the education of the particular student though who graduated from an ABA school.

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I noticed on the Georgia State Bar that there is at least one online grad: https://www.members.gabar.org/Custom/Directory/Default.aspx?iSession=74256e688ba74cbd998a48b3af480daa
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Americans with a J.D.

Americans with an unapproved JD is more accurate. Again, going to those schools, you need to know the risks. They close a lot of doors, because frankly, there are a lot of scam schools out there that just want your money.
How is it an unapproved JD? If it is an unaccredited schools then yes. But remember, all accrediting bodies are voluntary. From the regional to the national to the specific professional. A law school can be accredited by a regional body but still be non-ABA. I have seen J.D.'s accredited by a regional body and thus eligible for federal financial aid, but not by the ABA.  The JD is thus just as valid as a Ph.D. from the same university. Now, to practice law is a different issue. What about law schools that are not members of the AALS? Or what about those not members of the Order of the Coif? Many view these schools as losers with limited opportunities. 

I do agree with needing to evaluate the whole situation. Depending on what type of school you attend--unaccredited, state-accredited, ABA-accredited, etc.--you will have different options. But as long as you attend a school whose J.D./LL.B. will allow you to practice law where you want, then by all means go for it. As for cost, I have looked at some of these schools and most of the state-accredited schools are just several thousand dollars per year.

Personally, unless you have a decent job and only want to practice law on the side or test it out, then I say stay away from most limited schools. Attend only an ABA-school that will let you have portability. However, I know judges, lawyers, and politicians (federal and state) who have attended non-ABA schools.

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This cannot be entirely true because this is what led to the Georgia Supreme Court case where the girl had graduated from a non-accredited school but had an LLM from an ABA-accredited school. So there must be some ABA LLM schools that allow non-ABA students in.


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