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Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.

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Sorry to be late to the conversation...just finished with finals (woo!)  I think I am a pretty good person to throw in my two cents since I went to UW for UG and am now at BC Law (and was deferred at UMN, but eventually rejected 3 weeks into law school). 

I think you have a very tough decision.   I absolutely loved my UG experience in Madison and couldn't be happier with my law school choice of BC.   Kind of cliche, but you can't go wrong with either.   Besides thinking about where you want to live when you graduate, also consider where you want to live for law school.  Not sure how familiar you are with both locations.  Where did you do your UG?   Madison is a great college town.  You will be surrounded by tons of UG students everywhere you go...the law school is really immersed in the university.   It is a ton of fun for UG, but may be a bit more annoying as a law student.  BC is more separated from the UG campus (which turned me off at first but I like it now).  You are right on the outskirts of a major city which has all the great things a big city has to offer.   So both have great environments, but definitely different.

In Terms of job prospects, I think BC has the slight edge.  UW has Chicago, but that is pretty much it for major market cities (though some good smaller markets in Minneapolis and Milwaukee).   BC has the major markets of Boston, NYC and D.C. in its backyard (as well as smaller markets of Philly and Pitt).  If you dont know where you want to live, it is nice to have more major markets around you to choose from. Plus, you can definitely get back to Chicago from BC (I will in fact be working there this summer).   A kind of stupid article came out on CBSsports (yes sports) today about law school (it is posted on other threads on here).   One of the things it says though is kind of my point: "14. Don't go to the Midwest for law school. Pick any other region. Unless you're absolutely certain you want to practice in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, Chicago's awesome but it's also the de facto capital of about eight states. If you really want to end up in Chicago you can get there from lots of places outside the Midwest."  There are a ton of really great schools in the midwest, so I wouldn't say dont go to school there, but I think his point about Chicago being the only major market is a valid one.

If you have any questions about UW or BC (or even UMN), feel free to send me a PM.  I'd be glad to answer.  Good luck in your decision!

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I've posted a similar question in another thread), but it seems like it would be relevant here as well.

I'm a prospective BC student, and I have the option of virtually free housing in Medford, MA (relatives with an empty apartment in a two-family house).  Before being accepted to BC, I had planned to take the T to Suffolk (currently I don't own a car), but it appears that I would be in for a ~1.5 hour commute each way if I was to take public transportation to BC.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether this would be doable?  Would I need a car to make this work?  I suspect it would be about a 30-40 min drive.  Also, what's the parking situation like in/around campus -- I heard conflicting statements on this.

Thanks in advance!

A 1.5 hr commute your 1st year of law school would be horrible.  I would say there is no way you should do that.  Time is very important your 1st year, and you will be stressed out beyond belief if you are wasting 3 hrs of your day each day just traveling.  Unless you are really dedicated/motivated and can study on crowded public transportation, in which case, it wouldn't be as bad, but still far from ideal.

Possibly your 2nd, and definitely your 3rd year, it will be less of an issue, so you can think of moving out there then.  You are in less of a time crunch and have control of scheduling your classes so you can try to plan it to work your life

Getting a car, or moving closer to campus, is definitely recommended.  There are no issues with parking on campus.   It can get crowded and so you might have to park like a 5 min walk away, but there is always a spot available.  It is appx $200 for the year.

Good luck with your choice.  Hope to see you at BC!

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Tough call.   I really loved IU when I visited (almost went there).  I think Cali would be "doable" but definitely would need to put in effort and do decently.   

If you want to read my impressions of IU after I visited, check out this old thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,55266.0.html

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Depends on how much money is a factor for you (do you have any help or is it all loans)...since biglaw is your aspiration, it shouldn't be as big a factor either.

I would say:
1-IU
2-William and Mary
3-Wash Lee

If $ is really no concern, then I would put USC and GW up in that list too.   

I put IU first because it is a good school, in a fun city and is giving you decent money.   

Unless you are set on NYC, I would say GW should knock Fordham off the list
Wash Lee should knock george mason off the list...around the same price for quite a bit better school in the same geographi carea.

Definitely a tough choice though

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« on: April 12, 2008, 12:00:25 PM »
kind of crazy that a 2% change (5 students) makes us (BC) drop from 16 to 20.   

If this survey does come up in the BU vs BC debate, I think it is (or at least should be) to counter the notion that BU does "better nationally" in career prospects.   They are nearly identical schools in job prospects, and these placement numbers should help confirm that.

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Im curious about BC's curve too. Is it very difficult to stay right above median? Someone told me since most eevryone end up in the middle, you have to seriously slack off to graduate bottom quarter or half of the class.

I am confused by your question. By definition, half of the class will be above the median and 25% will be in the bottom quarter of the class.  So it is not any easier or harder than any other school.  If what you mean is, is it hard to got what one would consider a "poor" grade, then yes, that is true since only 15% get B- or lower. The 1st year curve at BC is as follows: 10% A, 15% A-, 25%B+, 35%B, 10% B-, 5% C+ (or lower).  There is some discretion with the curve (a prof. can give more B's and cut out on the high and low ends if they want for example).  The curve goes up for smaller classes (which is a lot of what you take 2nd/3rd year)

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Here are the changes in ranking from last year to this year for the T50.   feel free to correct any errors I made (note: California made a very similar list while I was making mine,but thought mine might still be useful since it is a bit different)

1) Yale 0
2) Harvard 0
2) Stanford 0
4) Columbia +1
5) NYU -1
6) Boalt +2
7) Penn -1
7) Chicago -1
9) Michigan -1
9) Northwestern +3
9) Univ.of Virgina +1
12) Duke -2
12) Cornell +1
14) Georgetown 0
15) Vanderbilt +1
16) UCLA -1
16) Univ. of Texas +2
18) USC -2
19) Washington Univ. in St. Louis 0
20) George Washington University +2
21) Boston University -1
22) Emory University 0
22) Univ. of Minn -2
22) Univ. of Notre Dame +6
25) Washington and Lee 0
26) Boston College +2
27) Fordham University -2
27) Univ. of Illnois-Urbana-Champaign -2
27) Univ. of Iowa -3
30) College of William and Mary +1
30) Univ. of Washington -2
32) Ohio State -1
32) Univ. of Alabama +4
32) Univ. of Colorado-Boulder +4
32) Univ. of Georgia +4
36) Indiana Univ-Bloomington 0
36) Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison -5
38) George Mason Univ. -4
38) Univ. of Arizona +6
38) Univ. of California - Hastings -2
38) Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill -2
42) Univ. of Maryland -6
43) Wake Forest Univ. -7
44) Tulane Univ. +3
44) Univ. of California - Davis -10
46) American Univ. +1
46) Brigham Young Univ. -2
46) Southern Methodist Univ. 0
46) Univ. of Connecticut +1
46) Univ. of Florida +1

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Law School Rankings / Re: 2009 USNWR rankings
« on: March 25, 2008, 11:00:57 PM »
Here are the changes in ranking from last year to this year for the T50.   feel free to correct any errors I made

1) Yale 0
2) Harvard 0
2) Stanford 0
4) Columbia +1
5) NYU -1
6) Boalt +2
7) Penn -1
7) Chicago -1
9) Michigan -1
9) Northwestern +3
9) Univ.of Virgina +1
12) Duke -2
12) Cornell +1
14) Georgetown 0
15) Vanderbilt +1
16) UCLA -1
16) Univ. of Texas +2
18) USC -2
19) Washington Univ. in St. Louis 0
20) George Washington University +2
21) Boston University -1
22) Emory University 0
22) Univ. of Minn -2
22) Univ. of Notre Dame +6
25) Washington and Lee 0
26) Boston College +2
27) Fordham University -2
27) Univ. of Illnois-Urbana-Champaign -2
27) Univ. of Iowa -3
30) College of William and Mary +1
30) Univ. of Washington -2
32) Ohio State -1
32) Univ. of Alabama +4
32) Univ. of Colorado-Boulder +4
32) Univ. of Georgia +4
36) Indiana Univ-Bloomington 0
36) Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison -5
38) George Mason Univ. -4
38) Univ. of Arizona +6
38) Univ. of California - Hastings -2
38) Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill -2
42) Univ. of Maryland -6
43) Wake Forest Univ. -7
44) Tulane Univ. +3
44) Univ. of California - Davis -10
46) American Univ. +1
46) Brigham Young Univ. -2
46) Southern Methodist Univ. 0
46) Univ. of Connecticut +1
46) Univ. of Florida +1

California Cougar made a similar list on a different thread that is very good:
2009 rank with 2008 & 2007 rankings.

1) Yale                                         1, 1
2) Harvard                                   2, 3
2) Stanford                                  2, 2
4) Columbia                                5, 4
5) NYU                                         4, 4
6) Boalt                                        8, 8
7) Penn                                        6, 7
7) Chicago                                  6, 6
9) Michigan                                8, 8
9) Northwestern                      12, 12
9) Virginia                                10, 8
12) Duke                                  10, 11
12) Cornell                              13, 13
14) Georgetown                     14, 14
15) Vanderbilt                        16, 17
16) UCLA                                 15, 15
16) Univ. of Texas                 18, 16
18) USC                                   16, 17
19) Washington Univ. in St. Louis         19, 19
20) George Washington University       22, 19
21) Boston University              20, 22
22) Emory University               22, 26
22) Univ. of Minn                     20, 19
22) Univ. of Notre Dame         28, 22
25) Washington and Lee         25, 22
26) Boston College                  28, 27
27) Fordham University          25, 32
27) Univ. of Illnois-Urbana-Champaign    25, 27
27) Univ. of Iowa                     24, 22
30) William and Mary              31, 27
30) Univ. of Washington        28, 27
32) Ohio State                         31, 39
32) Univ. of Alabama             36, 43
32) Univ. of Colorado-Boulder  36, 43
32) Univ. of Georgia                    36, 34
36) Indiana Univ-Bloomington  36, 37
36) Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison   31, 32
38) George Mason                            34, 37
38) Univ. of Arizona                        44, 43
38) Univ. of California - Hastings                    36, 43
38) Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill        36, 27
42) Univ. of Maryland                            36, 42
43) Wake Forest Univ.                           36, 39
44) Tulane Univ.                                    47, 43
44) Univ. of California - Davis            34, 34
46) American Univ.                              47, 43
46) Brigham Young Univ.                   44, 34
46) Southern Methodist Univ.            46, 43
46) Univ. of Connecticut                     47, 50
46) Univ. of Florida                              47, 41
51) Univ. of Utah                                  57, 57
52) Arizona State Univ.                       51, 53
52) Univ. of Cincinnati                        57, 53
52) Univ. of Tennessee-Knoxville    53, 60
55) Baylor Univ.                                   53, 51
55) Florida State Univ.                       53, 53
55) Univ. of Houston                         60, 70
55) Yeshiva Univ. (Cardozo)             52, 53
59) Pepperdine Univ.                         66, 87
59) Temple Univ.                              60, 58
59) Univ. of Kentucky                     60, 65
59) Univ. of Missouri                      66, 60
63) Brooklyn Law School                60, 58
63) Case Western Reserve                53, 51
63) Loyola Marymount Univ.              66, 65
66) Indiana Univ.                                 85, 77
66) Seton Hall Univ.                            70, 70
68) Univ. of New Mexico                    70, 77
68) Univ. of Oklahoma                      70, 80
68) Univ. of Richmond                      77, 80
68) Villanova Univ.                             60, 60
73) Lewis and Clark College             82, 77
73) Univ. of Kansas                           66, 70
73) Univ. of Nebraska                       77, 70
73) Univ. of Pittsburgh                     57, 60
77) George State Univ.                      82, 97
77) Pennsylvania State Univ.           91, 87
77) Rutgers - Newark                        77, 80
77) Rutgers - Camden                       70, 65
77) Santa Clara Univ.                          91, 87
82) Loyola Univ. - Chicago               70, 70
82) Seattle Univ.                                  85, 93
82) Univ. of Hawaii                              91, 93
82) Univ. of Miami                              70, 65
82) Univ. of Oregon                             82, 70
82) Univ. of San Diego                        85, 65
86) Catholic Univ. of America            97, (3T)
86) DePaul Univ.                                    91, 80
86) Lousiana State Univ.                     91, 87
86) Northeastern Univ.                        85, 87
86) St. John's Univ.                              70, 80
86) Univ. of Denver                               77, 70
86) Univ. of Nevada                           100, (3T)
95) Marquette Univ.                           97, (3T)
95) St. Louis Univ.                                85, 80
95) Univ. of South Carolina                 91, 97
95) Univ. of the Pacific                        100, 97
98) Hofstra Univ.                                  (3T), (3T)
100) Mercer Univ.                                 100, 87
100) Stetson Univ.                               100, (3T)
100) Syracuse Univ.                            (3T), (3T)
100) Univ. of Buffalo                           77, 80
100) Univ. of Louisville                       97, (3T)

Out: USF, Toledo, ?

**Please double-check.  I didn't get a good system down until I was in the 30s. 

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Law School Rankings / Re: 2009 USNWR rankings
« on: March 25, 2008, 10:29:53 PM »
Anyone who has a decent amount of time want to go through the T50 and put how much they went up or down from last year?   I would, but I have oral arguments tomorrow!  Ahh. (believe me I would if I had time, I put together the historical rankings charts for the history of USnews at http://members.aol.com/stuje1/rank.html ...which is now a little outdated)   I am sure everyone would be grateful if someone does it!

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