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Where should I go next fall? / Re: I'm scared of UChicago
« on: March 09, 2007, 11:58:03 AM »
Do you feel a constant need to prove yourself?

Err, to yourself or to others? This is pretty subjective, donít you think? I certainly donít think anyone here is keeping tabs on other peopleís performance in class. And if they were, people would think that person was a real asshat.

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Do you feel uncomfortable in class and worried that you'll be called on in a brutal socratic environment?

Yes, I have to admit I donít enjoy being called on. Thatís just me. Iím a little shy. But I certainly would not call it brutal. Most profs use some sort of system to give you an idea when youíre at bat. And if you get it wrong, you get it wrong. Who cares? It gets a lot easier as the first quarter goes on.

Moreover, I canít emphasize enough that classes are often hilarious. As in rolling in the aisles funny. It obviously depends on the professor, but some classes like criminal law and property have left me sore from laughing so much.


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Do you feel you have access to knowledge and an opportunity to grow or are you hunkered in your room studying?

Iím unclear as to what you mean. If you mean access to professors, the school prides itself on that. Thereís many venues where youíll have a chance to be exposed to different ideas.

But if you mean growth as a person in general, I would be wary of seeing law school as a place to ďfind yourself.Ē And wherever you go, youíll be reading for hours and hours everyday. Thatís just the way law school is. It can be done in a library or cafť, or in front of a TV, or around a table with friends. But it must be done.

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Do you enjoy your peers and feel like you're establishing yourself in a strong network?

Yes! I really like my classmates, and have found a great group of friends. Moreoever, 2Ls and 3Ls have been very open, and just as friendly as people in my own class.

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Sure you'll work harder at UChicago than at NYU, but how much harder? 5 hours a week tops?

Itís not clear if this is true. There was some thread over on xoxo that came to the conclusion that Chicago people put in roughly the same number of hours per week as people at other schools. Again, its seems you might be overstating the differences. And wherever you go, law school is an endeavor that rewards self-starters. If you end up putting in the bare minimum, youíll still get a good job.


(Okay, now I really am killing my Internet. I'll check back after finals if there's any follow-ups, if tequila doesn't get in the way...)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: I'm scared of UChicago
« on: March 09, 2007, 11:23:28 AM »

And to the person that indicated you have to work harder here as a 2L and 3L, Iím not disputing what you were told by others, but I know several 2Ls who have not gone to class in weeks. I would not recommend this, but itís certainly done.


Alumni I've spoken to have admitted that at other schools 2l/3l are very relaxed and that at UC it is definitely not the case.

Well it is true that if your criteria in schools is where you'll be most "relaxed," Chi may not be for you. But I do think we have other things going for us...

I've been in intense academic environments before. You do not learn. You do whatever is possible to get that good grade then move on to your next huge task.

I want to learn and enjoy myself in law school and chicago seems to be a repeat of my UG experience.

Look, I enjoy myself and I learn.

If anything, law students as a class are only interested in securing a job. This school likes to see itself as one that values learning and intellectual discourse more than most. I havenít attended other law schools, so I donít know how relatively true it is. But the experience has matched the rhetoric.

Itís unclear, but you seem to be overstating the difference between the top law schools. Exams are a huge task wherever you go. Law school in general is difficult. Donít choose schools based on an illusory promise of a relaxed learning environment. Youíll most likely be disappointed.

Anyway, you seem to be quite convinced as to the nature of Chicago. Iím not sure what else I can type to dissuade you. All I would urge is that you visit during ASW. It's hard to beat the information saturation you'll get from actually being here.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: I'm scared of UChicago
« on: March 09, 2007, 10:57:41 AM »

And to the person that indicated you have to work harder here as a 2L and 3L, Iím not disputing what you were told by others, but I know several 2Ls who have not gone to class in weeks. I would not recommend this, but itís certainly done.


Alumni I've spoken to have admitted that at other schools 2l/3l are very relaxed and that at UC it is definitely not the case.

Well it is true that if your criteria in schools is where you'll be most "relaxed," Chi may not be for you. Yale springs to mind. But I do think we have other things going for us...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: I'm scared of UChicago
« on: March 09, 2007, 10:43:29 AM »
Hey all, we've got finals next week, so I'm not going into any in-depth analysis, and this will be rather conclusory, unsophisticated, poorly argued and rather poorly written. But...

Not competitive! Gunners that exist are more of the talk-too-much variety rather than the attack-dog variety. School is too small. People would hate you. Beyond this, it seems that almost everyone is nice and down-to-earth. Hard to say since its counterfactual, but I can't see people being assholes about school even if they could get away from it. Everyone gets a job. Thereís an incredible taboo against discussing grades, so unclear how youíd know who to be competitive with. Even if you could ID who in the class was your ďcompetition,Ē itís hard to think of ways you could affect their performance.

Competition is always tossed around when discussing Chicago, but this implies an interpersonal element that is utterly lacking. Itís a good place to challenge yourself. But even if you decide that you want to slide by, thatís entirely possible.

And to the person that indicated you have to work harder here as a 2L and 3L, Iím not disputing what you were told by others, but I know several 2Ls who have not gone to class in weeks. I would not recommend this, but itís certainly done.

As far as the quarter system, its really something that you have to evaluate in light of how you like to learn. Youíll have more final periods to deal with, but youíll also be responsible for less info. I personally prefer dealing with 10 weeks of retention in fewer classes vs. a semesterís worth. But thatís really personal preference.

As for cost of living, Hyde Park is extremely cheap, and it seems that the rest of the city is as well. With the exception of Lincoln Park, itís quite possible to get a room on the Northside for around $600 a month. This is around what Iíll be paying to split a house with three other classmates next year. Expected commute is around 20-25 minutes each way, 4 times a week. Of course youíll have to pay more if you must live alone. Living in Hyde Park is probably desirable as a 1L, especially if youíre not familiar with Chicago, but I get the impression that most 2Ls and 3Ls live up north. And even for those who live in Hyde Park like myself, itís really easy to hit up Northside bars several times a week. At least thatís been my experience.

Anyway, sorry if this is repetitive. But since the same BS about Chicago keeps popping up, I feel like I need to emphasize the same points. I really like it here. Most of the people I know really like it here.

Whatever you do, please visit during ASW. It will allow you to make your own impressions, rather than relying on the aspersions of Internet posters whoíve never visited the school.

Okay, now Iím killing my Internet. Follow up will have to wait until after finals.

(PS, to JuanTwoThree, I love MTG, but Iím extremely liberal, and it seem that the majority of people here veer to the left. And yes, they still seem to love it. Sorry if this disappoints.  :D )


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Law School Applications / Re: COLUMBIA, U CHI, NYU, PENN
« on: February 21, 2007, 09:01:40 PM »
1.  Chicago.  The city is excellent, and the main campus are the most gorgeous I've ever seen--and I've been on every ivy league campus and many more to boot.  Also, Chicago's clerkship placement is really extraordinary.  I hear that it's slightly more conservative, but I also hear that's probably overstated often.  I certainly hope so!

2.  Penn.  Philly is fun, and they have been really nice.

3.  Columbia.  They have more of a "campus" feel than NYU, but I'd never go to either Columbia or NYU because it's in NYC, and the COL there is outrageous.

4. NYU.  It's a good school, obviously, but if it came to between Columbia and NYU, it'd be Columbia. 

Yes

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What's the best cell phone service for south Chicago?  Do all of the major services get clear reception?  I'm using Cingular right now.



I've had really good coverage with Sprint throughout the campus. But I haven't heard of anyone bitching about a particular carrier.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: T14 Faculty Battle Royale
« on: February 16, 2007, 05:18:17 PM »
I would like to note that weíre the only law school with a Nobel laureate on the faculty:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/coase

And donít worry. If you donít know about this guy now, you will soon, regardless of where you end up going.


I thought Mason had a Nobel laureate on the faculty?

http://www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/bio.php?fac=49

Got me.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: T14 Faculty Battle Royale
« on: February 16, 2007, 10:32:48 AM »
I would like to note that weíre the only law school with a Nobel laureate on the faculty:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/coase

And donít worry. If you donít know about this guy now, you will soon, regardless of where you end up going.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: T14 Faculty Battle Royale
« on: February 16, 2007, 10:30:37 AM »
Boalt Hall

John Yoo. The great enabler of the war on terror. Patriot or war criminal?

War criminal gets tossed around way to frequently, but that's one guy who might deserve the label.

Or maybe more accurately, a very scary crypto-fascist.

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