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On the most recent California Bar the overall pass rate was 34%.  Online and correspondence stacked up pretty well at 18% and 26% equivalent to fixed facility non ABA schools (accredited 18% and unaccredited 25%). If the trend continues that means distance learning is finally the equivalent of a non ABA fixed facility law school, a major development in my opinion.

Odds are 20-1 against you will come out with a law license.  The bar pass rate does not take into account all the other attrition and failure to pass the First year Law Exam.  But if you go to a ABA school the odds are 1 - 3 in your favor.  My suggestion is don't do DL unless you have no other alternative.  Yes you can succeed with a DL school but the odds are only slightly better than the roulette wheel.

Online Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: March 01, 2017, 06:57:02 PM »
Yes, that is in my future plans as well is the QLTS. Also, the DC bar, however, there's been new rule modification to Rule 46.  Also, DC is now a UBE state and I am taking the UBE and plan to transfer in DC through UBE transfer admissions.

Once you have the equivalent of enough years English practice, you can also qualify for Ireland without an exam beased on reciprocity.  Good ole Taft diploma has been good for admission in North America, Africa, Europe and the Carribbean though got turned down in Northern Ireland and a Pacific jurisdiction.  Key to hopping out of the US is the English qualification.

Online Law Schools / Re: taft law school
« on: February 16, 2017, 06:03:55 PM »
I had no problems getting a bar ticket and will be taking the bar for the first time and once I pass I will have other jurisdictions available to me.

Not passed yet?  When you pass, let us know.  And you will have to wait five years to motion into DC.  After that you may want to take the QLTS.

California online and correspondence law schools are not accredited by California but are "registered", so I think they would fail the Texas test. I think California accredited non ABA schools of which there are several would pass the test though.

Online Law Schools / Re: Novus University School of Law
« on: January 27, 2017, 08:45:33 PM »
How does Novus have an edu website?
Does the govt not screen this stuff at all?
If I go to can I get one for $10 in as many minutes or less?

Since they are not an accredited post secondary school, I suspect they got the edu domain years ago before anyone really checked anything.

You can email educause who administers the domain and ask why an unaccredited school has a edu domain but since their website looks circa 1999, I suspect the outfit is run by slackers who won't bother to reply.

Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 21, 2016, 03:46:36 PM »
Unless that PhD is from a well respected school, and you have an impressive publishing record plus experience plus connections, you won't end up teaching at State. Maybe as an adjunct for one or two classes, but that's about it.

Academic jobs, even at no name State U's, are insanely competitive right now. The majority of PhDs will not get an academic job.

Absolutely correct, a PhD degree from state will get you an adjunct gig and maybe slightly more.  But a specialized PhD for which there are no programs will yield nothing.  PhD's actually end up earning less than what they would of had they left off with a MA in the social sciences.

Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 20, 2016, 08:16:46 AM »

I have a Masters in Law & Public Policy.  I was searching for a ph.d. In some law discipline but was unsuccessful.

I'd advise against a PhD in Law, it is not a very popular degree and won't qualify you to teach at a law school since you do not have a JD and are not a lawyer.  Academic jobs are tight, you'd be better off going for a PhD in Political Science with an emphasis in Public Policy which would have much more utility.  Additionally online and foreign PhDs are a tough sell these days for job seekers.  Good luck.

I tend to agree, those who the nanny state is trying to protect are too stupid and arrogant to understand the odds of ever becoming a lawyer though distance learning.  I calculated the odds as 20-1 against when I undertook distance learning and knew that if I made it past the First Year Bar exam - the odds improve to 5-1 against.

People misuse words like "nannystate". Based on that math telling stores NOT to use lead paint in your cupcake frosting is "nannystate"

Anyone who spent even 30 minutes researching online law schools would stumble upon California State Bar pass statistics which tell most of the story.  If you want to pass the bar, an online school is the worst alternative. It really works only for those unable to attend a ABA or California bar approved law school.  Distance education on the other hands can work just fine in legal systems that do not require a bar exam as in England.

Online Law Schools / Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
« on: August 15, 2016, 01:45:37 PM »
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?
I had mentioned a few things, so I assume you are disagreeing with the EJD part (not the other law doctorates -which are MORE respected than the Masters, since......its the same thing........but higher up.....)

As to the bar requirements, those do not exist for EJD

I am just saying that someone interested in law who does not want to be lawyer should consider a Masters In Legal Studies.

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