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It is a Catch 22 - online schools as such cannot provide the infrastructure or staffing to meet ABA requirements; they also attract a lot of students who are either lacking skills or commitment to make distance learning work. Distance learning may work for the highly motivated student or someone already working in the courts or law but for the average student the outcome is doubtful.  However, with continuing improvement in technology; I think DL will eventually occupy the field.  But the ABA and state bars are ruled by dinosaurs - the bricks and mortar law firm will be endangered long before they ever get around to tinkering seriously with law schools.  Case in point - 50+ separate bars in the USA in an increasingly digitized and standardized world. ULP laws are so confusing many attorneys just ignore them.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 31, 2014, 09:19:24 AM »
Illegal to use? I think you mean Novus is on the list of diploma mills however obviously that is not criminal or they would be prosecuted since they are not hard to find.
It varies by state. And it is what it is.
I'll post a link as an example. Don't presume, its a dangerous thing.
http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/index.cfm?objectid=EF4C3C3B-EB44-4381-6673F760B3946FBB

Institutions Whose Degrees are Illegal to Use in Texas

Consonant with its responsibilities under Chapter 61 of the Texas Education Code and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board annually reviews the institutions included on this list.

"Fraudulent or substandard degree" means a degree conferred in Texas in violation of the Texas Education Code; conferred in another state in violation of that state's laws; conferred in another state by an institution that was not accredited by an accreditor recognized by the Coordinating Board and that has not been approved by the Coordinating Board for its degrees to be used in Texas; or conferred outside the United States by an institution that the Coordinating Board determines is not the equivalent of an accredited or authorized degree. (Texas Educational Code, Chapter 61, Section 61.302)

The Texas Penal Code (Section 32.52) prohibits the use of fraudulent or substandard degrees "in a written or oral advertisement or other promotion of a business; or with the intent to: obtain employment; obtain a license or certificate to practice a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain a promotion, a compensation or other benefit, or an increase in compensation or other benefit, in employment or in the practice of a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain admission to an educational program in this state; or gain a position in government with authority over another person, regardless of whether the actor receives compensation for the position." Violation of this law is a Class B misdemeanor.

Wow, great catch.  Someone should drop Texas a line on Novus Law School.  It already has Novus University on sh_t list.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 30, 2014, 05:32:23 PM »
The Spike TV lawsuit is PR for Spike Lee - a business expense and is plausible because he is claiming brand confusion.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 30, 2014, 04:36:36 PM »
Illegal to use? I think you mean Novus is on the list of diploma mills however obviously that is not criminal or they would be prosecuted since they are not hard to find.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 18, 2014, 06:38:13 PM »
If you are an attorney and licensed and have a JD, if you want you put the JD after your name.  It would not matter where it is from. 

They would lose on an infringement lawsuit; there is little likelihood one would confuse a scam law school with a law firm. 


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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 18, 2014, 09:07:20 AM »
Using JD on a business card w/out a law license depends on the state and intent.

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/tussle_over_titles/

Because jokers, disbarred attorneys, and wannabes often try the JD gambit, most lawyers stay away from listing the JD solely unless to disambiguate professional degrees they have as in addition to the JD:

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/4031944_1


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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 18, 2014, 09:00:05 AM »
I don't see how using Novus would be an infringement and the guy is a T Jeff. grad:

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/288739

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Anyone in the bottom 10% might get the message law is not for them.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 17, 2014, 09:06:26 PM »
1.  What grads are lawyers - you going to believe Novus? Reading for the law? With who, their mother?  Not likely.

2.  A regionally accredited EJD is not a scam, it is similar a MA in Legal Studies. You can't become a lawyer based on it but it is a real masters degree. Maybe better than a MA in Religious Studies. On the other hand, an unaccredited EJD is usually worthless but could be OK for something if DETC accredited.

But I will go back to the main point - if no lawyers are associated with a law school, how can it be a law school?




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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 17, 2014, 09:23:48 AM »
Novus is not recognized by anyone; it is not a foreign law school.  It is an offshore corp. which operates out of California.  it has no lawyers associated with it. Its students have tried to fraud their way into LLM programs which is why Touro sued.  Even if a Novus student got into a program by bluffing their way in, I doubt they would succeed. Novus is incorporated in the Marshall islands and its graduates do not qualify for the Marshall Islands bar - end of story.

http://www.marshallislandslawfirm.com/#!Marshall-Islands-Attorneys-Who-Can-Practice-in-the-Courts-of-the-Marshall-Islands/c1ohp/300D7720-B2C3-4993-BAD3-79939473F89F

However, I do appreciate a good scam and Novus has had a long run.  They made a good call that state regulators are too lazy to pursue them.  Touro got sued by one of the Novus students and that is why Touro took the lawsuit out against Novus. 


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