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Current Law Students / Rational response? Re: We Don't Need No Bar Control
« on: November 22, 2005, 10:55:02 AM »

"2) The results are racially discriminatory. Minorities fail it at a higher rate. Strict scrutiny, not rational basis, Sir. The Bars will not release the failure rates by sex and age, despite any sunshine law. Intermediate scrutiny may also apply if enjoined for the data. You will be surprised to learn that law students have unanimously panned such Federal court action, even just discovery. I would be curious to know the opinions of the law students. They want to take and pass this exam. "

Possibly...Also you might have better luck with an argument based on cost and lack of ABA support for accrediting bar preparation programs. The dissent in the Montana supreme court brought that point up...the appelant against ABA only lost 4-3. Also an Americans Disabilities Act ( argument might be made for the ABAs refusal to accredit online law schools which prevents people who cannot attend regular law classes due to physical or psychological disability from practicing law.

"3) Its structure stems from Alexander of Hales, a 13th Century friar. It violates the First Amendment Establishment Clause. "

Universities were first established by church based organizations...this argument is irrelevant

"4) It lacks modern psychometric competence. It was advanced in the 13th Century, to its credit. What are its 5 forms of reliability? How was it validated (a technical statistical term, not a philosophical one)? One IQ test, the most validated, and powerfully predictive test of all time, with 10,000 validation studies itself, was banned because of racially disparate results. "

The bar exam doesnt have to be competent as long as it is equally incompetent for everyone. :(

"7) The Separation of Powers..."

Youd have better luck with the federal courts and an argument based on restraint of trade and the issue
of admission to the federal courts being effectively set by state legislatures and the ABA instead of congress.


Pursuing an LLM / Re: Accepted with baggage
« on: November 22, 2005, 10:25:57 AM »
1) Get a GOOD prep course (princton review) and retake it.

If it doesnt improve DRAMATICALLY

2) Decide if you REALLY want to be a lawyer..and if so consider non-aba schools
that dont require LSATs.

Current Law Students / Re: 48% Bar Passing Rate.
« on: November 22, 2005, 09:15:57 AM »
Speaking of Cooley, their students CA bar pass rate  has been LOWER than
Concord Law School and Northwestern California University both of which are
non-aba approved online law schools.

Current Law Students / Re: Thinking about dropping out. Looking for advice.
« on: November 22, 2005, 09:08:18 AM »
Get through your finals, see how you do and then make a decision when you are in a better frame of mind.

If you have a masters in science there may be other things you might want to do...
like teach or do research. Science teachers are in hot demand right now...the pay isnt
anywhere near what lawyers make but the hours are better and you get to do what you like.

Current Law Students / Re: Thinking about dropping out. Looking for advice.
« on: November 21, 2005, 12:55:18 PM »
What was your pre-law education in?

Transferring / Re: anyone ever transferred out of cooley?
« on: November 21, 2005, 06:47:00 AM »
The attritrion rate from cooley in the first two years is close to 50%
Probably 25% of those people should never have been at law school.
The other 25% could have succeeded at a different law school with more
academic support.
Cooley is hard and not in a good way.

Those guys who had 3.1 GPAs and above GPAS at cooley
would be successful at ANY law school. The guy
with the 3.8 at cooley probably should have gotten
LSAT coaching and could have gotten into a better law school

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Law school without a BA
« on: November 21, 2005, 06:05:08 AM »
Generally most ABA schools will want a BA degree.

Youre in California and a lot of the non-aba accreditted schools will take
you without an ABA degree but you may have to take some sort of California
test. I would STRONGLT recommend you finish your BA first regardless because
it makes you more employable once you finish law school or if you decide not
to go to law school.

Current Law Students / Re: Psycho Professor
« on: November 21, 2005, 05:47:39 AM »
Dont be late to class...duh!

Ok the bathroom break case is a bit excessive, but I bet it happened on the same day ;-)

Current Law Students / Re: Torts casebook
« on: November 21, 2005, 05:46:21 AM »
When you get that list email me with cases that are added....

The 10th edition is $5 plus shipping on ebay the 11th edition is #100 new.

If its like 5 cases or less I can just go on lexis and get the cases themselves.

The Prosser torts 10th edition came out in 2001, the 11th edition came out in July 2005.
The emanuel outlines are still keyed to the 10th edition.

Anyone know the differences?

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