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Thomas Jefferson / Re: TJSL Entering Student 2009
« on: May 05, 2009, 01:27:21 PM »
Anyone attending Admitted Students Day on June 6? I'm 90% sure I'm attending TJSL in the Fall. I'm still waiting to hear back from my top choice, but I think I'm going to TJSL considering I received a Dean's Scholarship. I'd love to talk to other students who will be in the class of 2012!

I went to the admitted students day last month. Great food, info that’s not on the website, and a good feeling about the school in general. I meet a group of “leaning students” while I was there, like im sure you will too when you go. I would go again (mostly for networking and free food), but im going to be in Europe. Hope you have fun. 

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Thomas Jefferson / Re: Where to live in San Diego?
« on: May 05, 2009, 01:20:29 PM »
Thanks Cloud.

no prob, glad to help  :)

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Thomas Jefferson / Re: TJSL Entering Student 2009
« on: April 23, 2009, 12:32:55 AM »
So who attended the “admitted students day” on Saturday? What did you guys think?

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J…
« on: April 23, 2009, 12:21:07 AM »
To the 3Ls and Matthies: Thank you! This thread is finally turning into what it should be. it was worth it all, Thanks again. :)

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Thomas Jefferson / Re: Where to live in San Diego?
« on: April 19, 2009, 01:25:16 AM »
I hear that Mission Valley can be a little pricey, La Jolla I KNOW is pricey as well as a tee-bit far, La Mesa is about 15 min. drive,  a good price, but you have to be a little careful on safety. I live in La Mesa now, $450 roommate situation with my own room and utilities covered in rent… but my neighbors are getting robed at gun point, people are breaking in below me, and some of my roommates/ apartment complex neighbors have served some time.  I probably live in the worst part of La Mesa, and im sure other parts are a lot nicer, but I think in regards to the city, it’s a case by case basis.

Julie in the housing office at TJSL has a pretty good system that she utilizes. She puts a lot of work finding students housing, she might be able to give you more info on the subject.


I'm trying to get some feedback on the different neighborhoods surrounding TJSL, i.e., safety, price, public transportation, distance from the school.

Mission Valley, La Jolla, Old Town, La Mesa, Kensington, downtown, Clairmont, Ocean Beach, Pacific Beach are some I thought of.  Looking to hear from current or former students, accepted students, and San Diego residents.

*Again, just looking for feedback about living situations.

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J…
« on: April 19, 2009, 01:07:08 AM »

Mathies has helped me more times than I can count.

I hear that a majority of law students don’t initially know what they want to practice. Im not even entirely certain myself, but I have a pretty good idea. Yea, Matthies has helped me out as well. We appreciate it Matthies. I think I speak for more than just myself when I say: Im glad you are on Law School Discussion.

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J…
« on: April 18, 2009, 02:08:53 AM »
If you attend Cal Western, know you want to practice in San Diego, and can graduate top %10-20, are jobs easily attainable in that market?

Depends on what type of law, who is competing for the position, and how good your networking was in law school...

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J…
« on: April 18, 2009, 01:22:49 AM »

 Out of all these “sever problems” 

Apparently the attrition rate of 40% has finally been resolved.  They are not cutting 40% of  students out of the student body, they are cutting 40% off of student bodies.

Hahaha. I cant believe you have reduced yourself to spell checking my posts, but your statement was funny non-the less. Ill add that to your list of contributions. 2 Gold Stars for you! :D

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J…
« on: April 18, 2009, 01:14:41 AM »
I know what you wrote, the fact that you are denying it really doesn’t matter. Delete out if you want, I wouldn’t claim a “victory” or even “winning”. I don’t think it is a matter of who wins or looses. It was suppose to be about hearing the good and/or the bad, the fact that you provided very little throughout this long and lengthy process, leads me to believe that we all lost in some little way. I feel bad for those students that started reading this thread in hopes of getting much out of it, to only find that it was mainly two opposing sides bickering over insignificant details.  It is still possible to get something out of this thread if one was to read between the insults and question what both sides are presenting, researching it further on their own. Im sorry to hear that you feel you have wasted your time, but im afraid I don’t share in your sentiments. Ive actually had an enjoyable time talking smack back and forth, and although its never about winning, I admit It does make me smile to know that I have gotten under your skin  :).

There are successful law firms which have a “large percentage”(my words) of TJSL or CWSL graduates, however its not like I know exact numbers of those firms to classify it as “primarily”(your words).  I notice that you have recently stated accusing me of having a wild imagination and making stuff up, after I questioned the truthfulness of your “TJSL and CWSL pals”.  Way to turn that one around on me.

Cal Western coming in dead last in ANY measurement huh? That’s a rather bold statement to make. I guess that’s  really dependant on who you ask.

You said “ Talking to the bookstore lady and some clowns in administration is useless”
I replied with “ Just because I have friends who are on the faculty of both schools, doesn’t mean that is where I draw my information from”.
I really don’t see how you over generalized that to an “all” statement. But out of all these posts, you pick a great time to be sarcastic…

Good thing your not in the profession of teaching…
(1) Where did I dismiss the attrition rate issue, I even gave credit to “TJTroll” on April 11th for initially providing that contribution. The Attrition Rate IS a serious problem, but you also have to look at the many factors that go into that. Taking things at face value, regardless of what subject it pertains to, is foolish.
(2) I questioned your “NON-imaginary TJSL and CWSL pals” from the start. Bottom line, without you personally speaking from experience, it doesn’t mean as much.
(3) You truly don’t believe that there are firms out there that are composed of a large percentage of CWSL or TJSL grads! I find your inability to even consider it a possibility a sign of your ignorance. You can think what you please about the truthfulness of my claims,  however I wont bring the names of firms into this circus, sorry.   
(4) You did present how you think that both schools are at the bottom of the Tier 4 system and their respective markets. That contribution is all you.  Congratulations! Whether or not that is an accurate statement, is another matter. But you gave it your best, good job! Gold star for you!  ;)

Like I said before, I started this post mostly to hear the dirt. We have all heard the good parts of both schools, but its extremely rare to find the negative. Despite my open-mindedness to hear all the horrible things you have to say, I only expect that you can back it up, That has proved to be extremely difficult for you to do.

No one is forcing anyone to read these posts, if they find it ridiculous or a waste of time, they can simply stop reading them. Reality, you are more than welcome to leave anytime, sorry for taking precious moments of your life that you will never get back. WOAHAHAHA!… But I have the feeling that if you weren’t here, you would have been in some other similar thread with the same attitude.

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J…
« on: April 17, 2009, 02:13:25 PM »
Hahaha  :D.I would have proof if you stopped deleting and modifying your post! I read your post last night, but was a little busy to respond back at the time, however I like how you modified it ever so slightly. I  noticed that you originally wished me the best of luck (or something like that)…I see that was taken out as well… :'(.

Yea, the nearly 40% attrition rate was already given, I was initially criticizing Reality, for not contributing anything new. I was slightly hopeful that your “NON-imaginary pals” could provide a little more than speculation about the legal market. To answer your question, I don’t believe that simply being the oldest law school in a given area inclines that law school to dominate the legal market. I believe that other consideration have to be taken.
I HAVE talked with hiring partners at local firms, and despite there preference to big name law schools, they still have a large percentage of employees from both of these law schools, one more so than the other.  Just because I have friends who are on the faculty of both schools, doesn’t mean that that is where I draw my information from. But that is certainly a nice exaggeration.   

I wish I did have proof, or at least quoted you on it at the time, like most people do.

Seriously, its like pulling teeth from a freakin chicken! Out of all these “sever problems” that you reference to, all you got is that Cal Western is LOOSING its status in the legal market.I strongly question that. Cal Western has a good name for itself in the SD community. it’s not the best if someone wanted to practice big law in another big city, but its well respected here at home.

You don't have "proof" because none ever existed.  Copy that into your secret WORD file, or did you lie about that as well?

40% of the class missing by graduation is a "severe problem" period.

How can you see not see the connection?  Local employers know that the lowered admission standards at these schools ultimately leads to fewer graduates they are willing to hire.  Don't you think that as graduates of the oldest law school in the area that Cal Western alumni would dominate the local legal market?  Know why they don't?  Simply put, those in charge of hiring question the quality of the graduates from a program that accepts anyone with a pulse.  They are just hiring from other schools without such sordid reputations.  If you look at local firms you will see TJSL and Cal Western graduates, just very few are recent graduates (within the last 10 years).  Why?  local firms won't go very deep into a class at these subpar programs for hiring purposes, because they have infinitely better options elsewhere.  THAT IS ANOTHER SEVERE PROBLEM.

Seriously, you clearly haven't done your homework, its pretty clear.  Talking to the bookstore lady and some clowns in the admissions office is useless.  Track down hiring partners at local firms, buy them lunch... they'll tell you what everybody else but you seems to know about the limited future of the graduates of these fine programs.

Your inability to grasp the connections between these schools' deficiencies and how it effects the futures of their graduates is plain staggering.  You've been fun to play with, but this is just futile. 

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