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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Northwestern vs Penn vs NYU
« on: March 28, 2009, 10:46:29 AM »
I would chose Northwestern. 160K buys more if you don't have to make a loan payment :) Really though, I think NYU does place a little better maybe, but no debt is too good a deal to pass on for a solid T14.
Sounds like a sweet deal from NU, and Chicago is a great city to live in for 3 years or so.

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General Board / Re: Crim: Worst Subject Ever?
« on: March 27, 2009, 03:22:01 PM »
I have a crim midterm today and want to stab my eyes out.  by far my least favorite subject this semester.  I like civpro more.  thanks MPC...

I think civ pro will probably do down as the worst class I ever took in law school by the time it's all said and done.

Had admin law yet? bah I hated that class as much as civ pro

Well, I was planning on taking admin law next semester, but now I'm curious (I really don't want to deal with civ pro 2.0). What made it so horrible (not that I doubt, just genuinely want to know what I'm about to get myself into)? I took the softball version in UG and it seemed ok, for whatever that's worth.

Its just boring as all hell, take the bad parts of con law and civ pro and throw in the most boring and long as cases ever = admin. And I'm an envriomental law fan, which is all admin, but that class sucked (and I'm not saying that becuase I got a low grade or something, I got second highest in the class) The reading was boring (when  I did it) the class was boring (when I went) even the test was boring, how can one get bored taking a test I don't know but I did.

This sounds like Fed Courts, too.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: CUNY Queens College
« on: March 25, 2009, 09:52:55 PM »
I am curious what the Opinion is of CUNY Queens College, as i decided to apply there and am interested in attending.  I know it is a T4, but the tuition is roughly 1/3 of what it is at other schools i have applied to (Hofstra, Touro, St. John's). I should add that i am primarily interested in Public Interest or Government work and do not have Biglaw aspirations.  I was curious if going to CUNY would open the door for these opportunities or if i would be better off attending the others.

It's got some problems (bar passage, horrible 1L curve), but it's a viable option if you're set on public interest, particularly poverty law and legal services. It does better than its tier in gov't, but its harder. It's a decent place, but it could be a lot better.

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General Board / Re: Crim: Worst Subject Ever?
« on: March 24, 2009, 06:35:06 PM »
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General Board / Re: Crim: Worst Subject Ever?
« on: March 23, 2009, 10:03:59 AM »
I'm trying to outline provocation and grading down to manslaughter, and every minute feels like an eternity.  I'm really not sure why I hate Crim so much, but I do.  Maybe too much of the doctrine is intuitive, or the class discussions were a bit much (we had units that made everyone cringe), but I really really don't like Crim.

Anyway.  What would the MPC say about my feelings?

I am going to do 100% criminal work, and I hated crim with a passion. most useless class ever.


Can you elaborate?  If you were to tell me right now that I would end up in criminal defense, I would look at you like you're crazy.

Maybe it was just my class. It was basically 80% basic statutory interpretation and 20% stuff like mens rea, mistake, excuse, defense. It was insanely boring and taught me nothing. Crim pro, federal criminal law, federal investigations, white-collar crime, organized crime, etc., were all completely awesome and relatively useful stuff.

I think separating pure substantive criminal law from even basic criminal procedure is what kills the class. It doesn't make any sense, and it certainly doesn't get people to care, until you figure out how everything is going to play out strategically.

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General Board / Re: Crim: Worst Subject Ever?
« on: March 22, 2009, 06:02:44 PM »
I'm trying to outline provocation and grading down to manslaughter, and every minute feels like an eternity.  I'm really not sure why I hate Crim so much, but I do.  Maybe too much of the doctrine is intuitive, or the class discussions were a bit much (we had units that made everyone cringe), but I really really don't like Crim.

Anyway.  What would the MPC say about my feelings?

I am going to do 100% criminal work, and I hated crim with a passion. most useless class ever.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cornell vs GULC
« on: March 22, 2009, 10:53:39 AM »
Any thoughts?

Georgetown by a country mile. Ithaca is a horrible place to waste 3-4% of your life.

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General Board / Re: How to prep for a non biglaw interview?
« on: March 20, 2009, 06:39:23 PM »
I have had a few interviews so far, but all of them have been biglaw interviews.  I have an interview tomorrow with a real estate firm, specifically for the foreclosure practice.  I am used to prepping for corporate law firms and gearing my end of interview questions towards that, and I am not really sure how to handle a "normal" law interview that isn't OCI or at a biglaw firm.  Right now I was planning to ask them "What qualities do the most successful law clerks at your firm usually have?  Other than asking them about how the economy has affected their practice (for the better or for the worst), I am not sure what else to do to prepare.

I checked out their website already and it is minimal, just very basic superficial information stating that they are a full service real estate firm that focuses on the commercial end, but doesn't get anymore specific then that.  Thanks!

Are you going to be forclosing on homes? If so, how do you plan to live with yourself?

Dear god, you must be one of those neo-lib NYU nutjobs. Did you ever hear of the law of CONTRACT? As in . . .  if you fail to repay a bank loan secured by your home, the bank may foreclose on that home pursuant to the CONTRACT you supposedly READ AND SIGNED.

woah... neo-lib. sounds dangerous. Fortunately, since housing prices will never decline, we can inflate-foreclose-re-sell our way to a brighter future! How could this go wrong!!!

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General Board / Re: How to prep for a non biglaw interview?
« on: March 20, 2009, 11:47:11 AM »
I have had a few interviews so far, but all of them have been biglaw interviews.  I have an interview tomorrow with a real estate firm, specifically for the foreclosure practice.  I am used to prepping for corporate law firms and gearing my end of interview questions towards that, and I am not really sure how to handle a "normal" law interview that isn't OCI or at a biglaw firm.  Right now I was planning to ask them "What qualities do the most successful law clerks at your firm usually have?  Other than asking them about how the economy has affected their practice (for the better or for the worst), I am not sure what else to do to prepare.

I checked out their website already and it is minimal, just very basic superficial information stating that they are a full service real estate firm that focuses on the commercial end, but doesn't get anymore specific then that.  Thanks!

Are you going to be forclosing on homes? If so, how do you plan to live with yourself?

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Mercer Law vs. Penn State Law
« on: March 17, 2009, 06:04:19 PM »
Penn State. Go with the T14 no matter how much a T3 or T4 is giving you. If it were a T1 things might be different.

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