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Current Law Students / Re: Failed the MPRE!
« on: November 09, 2008, 09:14:19 PM »
I think this is Wisconsin.  If you go to law school in Wisconsin, you're good to go without taking the Wisconsin bar.

Man! So U of Wisconsin law students don't have to take a bar exam?
If you get admitted in Wisconsin using diploma privilege, can you still waive into DC?

Law School Admissions / Re: Toby Stock Call Thread
« on: November 08, 2008, 11:45:10 PM »
Ps. What does the 1 in TS1 mean?

Law School Admissions / Re: Toby Stock Call Thread
« on: November 08, 2008, 11:40:56 PM »
I think it is Ivey's book that says "early in the cycle, adcomms admit you because they like you, rather than reject you because they're managing medians."

This is just a guess on my part. Something like 80% of calls are accepted. I would assume that the acceptance rate is higher for those called in the first few rounds.

I've seen Ivey and a few others say that too. I don't know if I believe it or not. Ivey gives some good advice and some questionable advice, and this particular issue is one that I think is likely to vary a lot from school to school. At most schools, for example, the dean of admissions does not personally telephone-interview the applicants.

And if, indeed, the acceptance % is higher early in the season than late in the season, I would think that this would mean fewer people being called later in the season, rather than a smaller % of call recipients being accepted. Because it would be a waste of Toby's time to call so many people late in the season if he knows he's just going to have to turn around and reject a whole bunch of them because their grades/scores aren't high enough. Since of course, he sees the grades and scores before deciding whom to call.

Law School Admissions / Re: Toby Stock Call Thread
« on: November 08, 2008, 11:33:06 PM »
My logic is that right now, there are ~500 open seats for the class of 2012. I'd venture that there are less (possibly much less, given how early it is in the cycle) than 150 people in the 10/16 batch and 10/31 batch of TS1s combined. That is the pool he will choose from when the first acceptances go out the week of Thanksgiving.

He has more leeway to accept people right now. He can worry about managing medians later. In January, there may only be 80 seats left, which means he has to be more strict with who he accepts and be more careful to make sure the LSAT and GPA medians stay the same/improve from last year.

I must say I doubt it.  :( Toby is pretty experienced at this point, having seen several years of JD applicant pools and composed the classes from them. It wouldn't make sense for him to accept people carelessly in the fall, using "leeway" by planning to worry about managing medians later. If he just waits until later to manage the big picture, the large numbers of people he admits in the fall will just bite him in the ass every spring and make him reject some people that he wants to accept, while accepting others purely for their high #s which would raise the average. I've got to assume that he has more experience and foresight than that.

Obviously, getting called is a great sign, but I wouldn't read too much into the month in which you get called, particularly because rolling applications mean that some people are getting called and admitted before other people (some of whom may well be better qualified) have even applied yet.

Current Law Students / Re: Failed the MPRE!
« on: November 08, 2008, 11:20:26 PM »
From statistics, it looks like not very many get lower than the passing rate:

Wait! Page 19 of that document has a bar graph of numbers of attorneys that states admitted in 2007 by various methods, including by "diploma privilege." For real? Do some states still allow diploma privilege, i.e. you can be admitted to the bar without taking the bar exam as long as you graduated from a school on the state's approved list for diploma privilege?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Who places well in FL
« on: November 04, 2007, 10:14:56 AM »
I am pondering the possibility of living in FL after law school because my future wife loves it so, and I don't mind either. Does anyone know where many of the big time lawyers in FL come from? There are no highly prestigious schools in the state, the top ranking one would be Univ. of Florida. Would Vandy be a good option?

Your practice test scores are looking good...break 170 and you should be able to go to at least one of HYSCN. These schools place well in FL (and elsewhere).

Law School Admissions / Re: Toby Stock Call Thread
« on: November 02, 2007, 03:03:00 PM »
One other graduate program -- not a law school -- I know a little about has said that their interviews are basically just "psycho screenings".  They've pretty much made up their mind about you beforehand, they just want to make sure you're not an obvious sociopath before they offer you admission.  My suspicion is that the Stock calls are pretty similar.

I used to think so. But sure Toby doesn't hit 300 psychos in the 1100 he calls?

1) The prestige of your UG institution will frequently affect the adcomms' decision, but the way and the circumstances under which it does are somewhat mysterious.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Penn 2L taking q's
« on: November 01, 2007, 07:30:27 PM »
OK, so real Penn students, what's in the courtyard?

Law School Admissions / Re: Toby Stock Call Thread
« on: November 01, 2007, 01:54:01 PM »
Just had mine. Gulp. Sudden onset stuttering.

Relax, at least it's over now.

ps. I'm sure you did fine. Everyone gets nervous.

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