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Where should I go next fall? / Re: W&L or FSU - no $ either place
« on: July 18, 2008, 08:19:12 PM »
Tampa is becoming an increasingly saturated market.  I wouldn't recommend Stetson to anyone.  Eventhough they have some amazing professors, a beautiful campus, and frequent legal seminars, the job prospects for most students outside the top quartile are grim.  The difference between their marketibility and Miami's is night and day.

I've lived in Tampa for 20 years, and, honestly, I've not met a single graduate of UM law school. Admittedly, you may run in a different circle than I do, and you may be more aware of general stats on all of this.
 
The majority of successful attorneys that I've come into contact with, through friendships or mutual friendships in South Tampa, or through business-world connections, have graduated from UF (of course) or Stetson, with a few here and there from FSU and quite a few from out of state. Stetson historically has had an extensive network of grads in the Tampa Bay area and, honestly, I think Stetson would be a good choice if you intend to practice in the immediate area.

I'd be interested in seeing actual stats on the saturation of attorneys in the Tampa market, and stats on overall prospects for Stetson grads in Tampa Bay or throughout Florida.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: W&L or FSU - no $ either place
« on: July 18, 2008, 03:18:51 PM »
re:"If you are absolutely sure that you want to stay in Florida or Georgia after graduation and you're absolutely sure that you don't want to work for "Biglaw", then by all means, go to FSU.  You will graduate with far less debt and get basically the same education. (not to mention you get to go to Football games, and kick-a$$ socials)"

That's dead on, based on what I've observed (I'm a Florida native, and I work in business). I've never heard anything but positive stories about FSU grads' prospects for employment around the state. As might be expected, there's an extensive network of FSU law grads and, or course, law grads from UF (my UG alma mater).

As an addendum, Stetson U would be a great option for anyone focusing on getting a job in the Tampa Bay area, and probably as valuable as FSU (although not as valuable as UF). The network of Stetson law grads in Tampa, St. Petersburg, Clearwater and surrounding counties is deep and broad. 

As for law schools in Florida outside of the above 3 (or U Miami), I've not heard many good things. I suppose their grads might do okay in their specific regions, but I can't really say. 

     

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I think there is also the mentality among firms of "Older graduates won't be tricked into 80 hour weeks for a few years before being pushed off the partner track".



Would the fact that older graduates might be more committed to a geographical location and less likely to job-hop offer any appeal at all to firms?

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: University of Florida 2011
« on: July 16, 2008, 04:51:09 PM »
Thanks, Julie. I'll check out that group.
I actually had no idea that a student as young as 24-26 would be considered "non-trad." I guess that makes me "radically non-trad." Or something .... :D


Yeah, I didn't know that either.  I'm 24, and have never thought of myself as a nnn-trad! :o

Law schools like to tell you that their students are older-- meaning they are 23-24 and have had one year of WE between UG and Law school.  ::) Hence, because of their one year in the workforce, they are considered non-traditional.

But to be honest, if you plan on coming to UF and you're 45+, you are going to be in the minority. This doesn't mean you won't fit in, but unless you're a die-hard Gator fan or a family man/woman, you might prefer a larger city where there is more going on.



Well, as an '83 UF grad, I am a die-hard Gator fan. I'm also a family man and as much as I love big-city entertainment offerings, I'd be happy to return to Hogtown.   

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: University of Florida 2011
« on: July 16, 2008, 04:35:04 PM »
So I guess I'll go with calling myself (and others of a similar vintage) "rad-trad," although that's something of an oxymoron. Maybe "Bad-trad"? (too easily mocked) "Dad-trad?" (not inclusive enough) "Mad-trad?" (maybe crazy, but not angry)

Sorry ... quitting now, while I'm behind.


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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: University of Florida 2011
« on: July 16, 2008, 03:25:25 PM »
As long as you're not a female hygiene product you will fit in fine at Levin High (aka UF Law). There are a solid number of non-trads...I'd guess there were about 10-20 in my 1L section of approximately 120.

That's enlightening ... and encouraging.
Thanks

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: University of Florida 2011
« on: July 16, 2008, 02:26:39 PM »
Thanks, Julie. I'll check out that group.
I actually had no idea that a student as young as 24-26 would be considered "non-trad." I guess that makes me "radically non-trad." Or something .... :D

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: University of Florida 2011
« on: July 16, 2008, 02:21:59 PM »

re: "Non-trad is generally defined a bit broader than that.  It can include people in their 30's, generally with work experience or going back to law as a second career.  It can also include students who are married and/or have children. 

I've already met a few non-trads who will be beginning at UF law this year, but I've also found that the trads are often very mature and responsible students in their own right.  I think people going to law school are *more likely* to be serious about their studies.  I'm looking forward to meeting everyone and I'm not too worried about "fitting in."  People are people and maturity doesn't necessarily correlate to age.   :D

I haven't heard any horror stories from non-trads at any school."

True, there all kinds of "non-trads" out there, but I was just curious about how many 45+ students are at UF. I need to see if the school offers stats on age of incoming students. Someone who is, say, 47 or 48 -- and married, with young or older children - is likely going to have different concerns/expectations, etc., about the LS experience than a non-trad who is, say, 32 or 33. At that age (47), fitting in is probably a natural concern.

I, too, would be looking forward to meeting students of all types and ages in LS. You're right about maturity, but I'm not sure if it's true that all or even most LS students are more likely to be serious about their studies than other types of students. From what I've observed, many (note: I didn't say all or most) 20somethings are far more wrapped up in dating/partying, etc than older people. Not that there's anything wrong with that: it's natural, as, generally speaking, at 24 you have far less outside-school responsibilities - spouse, kids, mortgage, home upkeep, aging parents - than you do two decades later.

Thanks much for your feedback on this. I appreciate your input.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: University of Florida 2011
« on: July 16, 2008, 10:59:20 AM »
Anyone have any thoughts on the numbers of non-trads at UF, and how the non-trads are treated by the other students and profs. By non-trads, I mean folks in the mid-40s category (like me) and older.

I already bleed orange and blue (graduated in the '80s), and I still love Gainesville, although I've not lived there since I left. Lots of obstacles for me to make it there, including, of course, getting in, but ... in the thinking-about-it stage. It would be my first choice, probably followed by FSU and Stetson.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.   

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Crispus was half-white and half-black my brother.

Others in that category: Barack Obama, Bob Marley, Lenny Kravitz

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