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Incoming 1Ls / Re: The Official I'm Going to X School Thread
« on: August 07, 2008, 08:58:45 AM »
Washington & Lee, baby!

OK, First of all, I have to agree that you can still get into some decent law schools without retaking the LSAT. everyone  on this board will probably jump all over me for saying this, but your high GPA can outshine your lower LSAT score. It did for me, and I'm going to Washington & Lee (ranked #25). In this case, the rest of your application has to be near perfect to outshine the LSAT score since it is still probably the most important factor. But things like your choice of major, honors thesis, graduating magna cum laude or whatever will in fact make a difference. Also, make sure your personal statement and resume are very strong. Secure good letters of recommendation that really show how good you are. If you can, go visit the school and schedule an interview with an admissions counselor so you can really show who you are as a person and express your sincere desire to go to that school. If the rest of your application is perfect and you are in constant contact with the admissions office to continually express your interest, the admissions committee may be more likely to forgive a lower LSAT and decide that based on your undergrad grads, professor reccs and personal statement, you will in fact excel at their school. Your admission is not guaranteed, but as I said- it can be done and I am living proof.

Good luck, and based on your GPA, I'm sure you will be getting quite a few law school acceptances. Some schools I would consider: American, W&M, Univ of Richmond, Hofstra, Brooklyn, Villanova, Temple, Catholic, Seton Hall, St. John's, NY Law, Maryland

I agree about an earlier thread regarding American. I got into higher ranked law schools, but AU waitlisted me. They also waitlisted 2 of my friends, one of which had a higher LSAT score. So dont rely on that one too much.

Maryland is a good choice, and you shouldnt have trouble with W&M or W&L.

Just a few others I would consider by area:

Virginia: Univ of Richmond, Catholic (in DC)

Boston: Northeastern, BC, UConn (not exactly Boston but still a good choice),

NYC: Fordham, Brooklyn, Seton Hall (in NJ, but does a lot with NYC), St. John's, Hofstra, NY Law

Law School Admissions / Re: Top Part Time Programs
« on: July 29, 2008, 09:16:47 PM »
some of the ones i know of:
GW, BU, American, George Mason, Brooklyn

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Part Time vs. Full Time
« on: July 28, 2008, 03:04:44 PM »
Yeah, its feasible. But I have to ask you: why dont you apply for full-time from the start? Many schools allow you to check both the full-time & part-time boxes on their applications, which I suggest you do. But if you apply only as part-time to many law schools, they will ask you to provide a reason as to why you cant go full-time. What will you say? If you're worried about your #s, you still have time to retake the LSAT or boost your GPA (if you're still in school). You also have time to round out your resume, personal statement & other soft factors.

But in regards to switching between the programs, I hear it can be done easily at many schools...but you will have to make up courses in the summer of your 1L year, which could hurt your resume since you wont be working/interning like the full-time 1Ls. Regardless of whether you went part or full time however, your diploma will still read that you graduated from _____ School of Law, and it will not state whether you were part or full time. The decision is up to you.

also, just another tip. Some schools (I know Univ of Baltimore for one) offer "part-time limited" programs within their day class. These programs usually select about 20 people who seem capable of being full-time, but might need a little help getting started. Therefore, you take 3 (instead of 4 or 5) classes your 1L year, and make up the remainder during the summer. The difference here is that you are in class with the 150 other full-time day students, and no one has to know you are part-time. Also, you dont need to go through the application process to transfer from a part-time evening class to a full-time day class-- your transfer is automatic 2L if you meet a certain GPA after 1L.

Hope this helps, and good luck

Waiting to get a better one. Your time would be better spent now studying for the LSAT and not filling out applications. In fact, you cant even fill out most applications until August or September, and most schools accept until February or March. Also, most law schools use a rolling admissions cycle (filling up the class as they go along, not waiting until they have everyone's app). This means that you'll want to apply somewhere around the middle...if you apply too early, they'll balk at your 149 and reject you because they will wait for future applicants with higher scores. But if you apply too late, the class may already be full. Its a balancing act. according to LSAC, most people fill out their apps between thanksgiving and christmas and this, in combination with the holidays, can jam up the admissions process and make things move slower. To play it safe, I would apply around Halloween or so. You will surely have your LSAT score by then (mine popped up in my email box less than 2 weeks after I took the test and before the scheduled deadline they previously noted). And if you dont have it by then, you can still the time you fill out the app, the school requests your info, all your documents arrive at LSAC...your LSAT score will surely have arrived. Good luck!

Hey Tommy-

I heard the same thing from a couple of my schools too. There is a possibility they will be going to the waiting list, but each day that passes that chance is less likely. Most students have had to pay some, if not all, of their fall tuition by now, so many are reluctant to jump ship after putting down the big bucks. However, there are a few people out there who may have just gotten into a higher tier and feel it is an opportunity they cannot turn down, or may decide for personal reasons that law school isnt going to work out. In that case, you may be offered a seat. However, these chances are small, so I wouldnt risk a seat at your present law school holding your breath for the waiting list. Most schools start in less than a month, so anyone that would be taken from the waiting list would be by a case-by-case wait list (not like the larger amount of offers that are usually made after the first & second seat deposit deadlines to schools). at best, I would say hold out until the beginning of august, but after that you really should focusing on the school to which youve been accepted. I know it sucks to hear that, but you could always transfer.

Basically, the over-enrollment is often a consequence of the admissions selection a law school uses in its decision-making process. Based on their previous numbers, law schools that tend to "over-enroll" send out a more generous amount of acceptances within their LSAT/GPA range, knowing that many of those students will accept their offer. As a result, these schools fill their class from the get-go, and do not have to trouble themselves much by returning to select applicants from the waiting lists. Other schools, however, use different approaches. Some, to maintain highly selective ranking numbers, only send out a "small" amount of admissions letters to those students they really liked. Those same schools tend to have a smaller but strong waiting list of candidates of which they were also impressed but who do not have the highest scores to boost their school's rankings. If their class does not fill from the initial offers, they continue to make their class highly selective by re-evaluating all of their waiting list candidates in effort to flesh out their incoming class (ie who has the next highest scores, what geographic region do they need more people from, what gender/nationality do they need more of, etc etc). The admissions process is such a game, its hard to anticipate your chances.

Also, I'm not sure which schools you're talking about, but check out this website.
It lists the % of applicants a school waitlists and how many are usually taken from the waiting list. Maybe you could form a better idea of whether or not your school is a very active waitlist school or not.

If you are still very interested in your waiting list schools and are willing to wait until the last minute, I would repeatedly send them emails. You do not want to get annoying, but I would send a letter of continued interest every week or so,  so that your name repeatedly is at the top of their inbox and they remember you when they turn to the waiting list. I would also visit the school if you can and request to speak to an admissions counselor, where you should express your sincere interest to attend the school. If possible, secure an extra letter of recommendation.

Good luck, I hope it works out for you!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3rd Tier vs. 4th Tier Scholarship
« on: July 26, 2008, 11:43:07 AM »
You could wait & reapply or consider your other options. But if youre hellbent on going, then I would go with PACE for several reasons. First of all, its in a higher tier...and in the law school game, higher is higher. It would just be silly to go to a lower ranked law school when you have another higher choice. Also, Florida Coastal seems pretty desperate. Before I even took the LSAT, they were flooding my inbox and have done so throughout the entire admissions cycle. In fact, I think I just got an email from them last week telling me I still qualify for a scholarship. I dunno, they seem pretty desperate to me and I do not know many people who take the law school seriously (I know I am just one person, but I havent heard good things about it from many). Also, PACE is a more respectable legal institution. More people probably know it, and you could work in NYC (which will have many more opportunities for any international work than FL).

Overall, I'd say go for PACE. If you do really well your 1L year at a Tier 3, you could consider jumping up to a higher tiered law school after a year by applying to transfer. Good luck. 

See you guys in Lexington in august!

and Kev- I think you made the right choice with W&L. I had my choice between W&L and W&M also, and after visiting both and doing serious research, I decided on W&L. They do really well in DC, and are higher ranked than W&M. Plus, the collegial atmosphere, low cost of living and honor code are added bonuses.

We also have a facebook group for W&L Class of 2011. If you want to join, send me a message and I'll hook you up with the link.

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