Thanks for the info!
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What are the top firms (in order) in Los Angeles... not the best firms that are based in LA, but rather the firms that are the best known in the area... I don't have access to that section of the Vault.
Also, are there major pluses in working for the main office for a firm over one of their "satellite offices." (I.e., working for an LA based firm in LA rather than a NY based firm in LA)?
Hey lawdork... I'll give you the same advice I gave my boyfriend (note: I'm not in Law School, never have been or will be, but I've had to interview folks in the past, etc.) He was concerned because he's on the shorter side and doesn't come across as the "suave" type.
1. Relax! From what the bf has said, many firms at their OCI were there more to "scope out next year's field" than find 1L SAs. You'll do fine. And get many tchotchkes in the process.
2. Don't think about your appearance, or anything else that may lower your confidence. You don't want to come across as cocky, but if you usually feel a bit insecure, tell yourself that you have the job and you're there to learn more about the firm (that way you'll come across as more confident...)
3. Try "active listening." Half the time the people interviewing have no previous experience doing this and feel just as uncomfortable as you do. In addition to using leading questions, when the interviewer gives an answer, pick up on something that they say where you can continue the conversation. That way it won't feel like a question/answer type format and you can ease into a more comfortable discussion. Back in the day, I was a resident advisor and had to go through all of these active listening training sessions, which were horrible. If you can make it natural, though, you can have a bit of control over how the interview goes.
4. Don't fidget... if you get clammy hands, keep a handkerchief in the pocket.
5. Sometimes all you need is a new suit/shirt/tie. Given most law students are short on cash, but if having a snazzy new tie will make you feel like a million bucks, it's worth it.
hi dee dee -
he didn't do a firm job last summer... like most other 1Ls he did the whole unpaid internship gig. their oci was in mid-august and then he started callbacks this past week... both firms he got offered with notified him within about 3 days (one does friday hiring comm meetings, the other let him know mid-week).
i'm glad to hear that prestige doesn't mean everything. his #1 priority is getting the best training, so while he's said a laid back atmosphere would be awesome, he'd prefer more high-pressure if the training opportunities are better.
with regard to the 45 day policy... if anyone has advice that would be great. he'll have callbacks going on for another 3 weeks, so there won't be that much time to make an informed decision (given, it's still more time than i had for a non-law job... can't other industries have nalp guidelines? )
my boyfriend is at a t-20 school (good grades, LR)... right now he has 2 offers for next summer, one from a V5, one from a V10... a bunch of callbacks take place in the next few weeks, ranging between V5 and V60+. between the 2 offers, he got better vibes from the "less prestigious" one, and probably the best vibe from a callback in below the V50. ultimately, is there a big difference between V5, V10, V20, V50? is it really best to pick off prestige, or to choose based on where you see yourself fitting in best (and making additional visits to the firm).
also, with the NALP 45 day policy, if you haven't heard from a firm at the tail-end of callbacks right before you need to let another firm know, is it okay to mention your exploding offer?
UCLA's LR write-on seems to be different from every other T-20 school, in that the competition is during spring break. You can mail in your application, but most people forgo any fun for 6 days to just hole themselves up and do it. They find out on the last day of classes, and have LR work to do during the summer. Another few people (maybe 5?) grade-on after 1L marks go out.
Please don't flame me - I'm just asking a question.
Yesterday I was talking to parents of a 0L. She is accepted into 2 good law schools, and has still not decided between the 2 (she has been into both since the winter, so this is not a recent WL-->admit). Anyways, she's been paying deposits for both schools and accepted seats at both. Is this legit? At what point do you have to give a definite NO to one of them? Obviously, you can't go to both schools, and there are plenty of people on the waitlist, so holding at 2 schools seems quite (for lack of a better word) douchy.
One of my closest buddies just finished up 1L at UCLA. Given he didn't have your decision to make, as UCLA was the best school that he was accepted to. But over the course of the year he has done very well academically, ENJOYED his first year and the profs that he got(the first person I met who had positive things to say about CivPro), and was selected to Law Review (it's a write-on, not grade-on process). All of the big firms had 1L receptions, and the Law Review admits had 2 seperate meals that were run by big firms, as well.
I know that Michigan is ranked higher, and I'm sure that more doors open for you on the bottom of the Michigan class vs. bottom of the UCLA class. However, for those that work hard and do well, I don't think that there will be a crappy future up ahead. I have friends in the middle of LS classes at both schools (finishing 2L) and they all secured good summer associateships. And I know that for LS that rank is more important than "fit" but they're both really good schools, so if you fit better at one, you're more likely to also perform better because you'll enjoy what you're doing and want to do it well. I don't know much about the enviro program at either school (as I'm not going to law school), but I know people doing joint JD/MUP degrees with focuses on Environmental and there seem to be opportunities at both. My advice: visit the schools, talk to profs (there's a faculty directory for a reason), and go with your gut.
Either way, congrats!