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Date Registered:     April 05, 2004, 02:19:44 PM

Where are all the old-school kids?

General Off-Topic Board / Any old-schoolers around (05 and earlier)?
« on: January 06, 2008, 09:36:52 PM »
Come forth and be recognized.

General Off-Topic Board / Any old school LSDers on here? Like, '04 old.
« on: October 07, 2007, 10:01:24 AM »
Anyone?  It'd be interesting to see how everyone is doing.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: STAN: MAKE YOUR 30,000TH POST IN HERE
« on: May 23, 2006, 09:54:07 AM »
Jesus, I remember when Cho broke 10k and that was a huge deal.  You people are freaks.

I repeat my question.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Anyone know anything about JAG?
« on: February 23, 2006, 07:38:44 AM »
so i have my Army JAG interview tomorrow for their summer intern program.  I'll take some of these questions and ask them.  I have Air Force JAG for the same thing next week.

So, how did it go?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Anyone know anything about JAG?
« on: February 20, 2006, 07:07:52 PM »
Good post, but I have to disagree with you about one part.  From what I understand, while Army and Air Force JAG are fairly noncompetitive, Navy and Marine JAG are very competitive.  Marine JAG is competitive simply because of the physical requirements.  Navy JAG is very competitive because they only take 50 students a year.  In fact, I know of an African American Yale law school graduate who has a 4.0 from Stanford and a 170+ LSAT who was dinged by Navy on his first attempt at commission. 


Those different organizations - DOJ, FBI, JAG, CIA - all have different standards.  Getting a job at DOJ straight out of law school is much easier from a prestigious school.  DOJ is a haven for grads from HYS etc. 

JAG is non-selective.  You can come from Podunk University, and if you did well, and can make a case for why you want to do JAG, you'll be fine.  There aren't nearly as many people 'competing' for JAG positions as there are competing for DOJ positions.  JAG, imo, is basically something for which you simply sign up (as opposed to compete).

One of the pathways for entering the FBI as a special agent is with 'legal experience', which means a JD from an accredited school.  They recruit at a TON of schools nationwide.  A friend from Dickinson (Penn State Law School) told me that the FBI recruited on campus.  The starting salary for FBI jobs straight out of law school is right aruond 50k with locality pay.  It's a very low-paying legal job, BUT, one that offers tons of excitement, experience, and gives you pretty solid career prospects. 

W&L & W&M are both in VA.  Quantico is in VA.  I would bet that the FBI recruits heavily out of these two schools, particularly W&L. 

I have no knowledge of the CIA. 


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Anyone know anything about JAG?
« on: February 20, 2006, 08:43:42 AM »

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UIUC v. Notre Dame
« on: February 18, 2006, 09:56:15 AM »
Yes, this list is certainly not complete, but it's a good indicator. 

According to LSAC, UIUC has between 230-240.  While I was off in my initial assesment, that is a difference of at least 50 people per class.  That's a very significant difference.

Yes, a third of UIUC students go outside of Illinois for their first jobs, but 2/3 of Notre Dame students go outside of Illinois for their first job and yet ND still seem to place just as many students in the top Chicago law firms as UIUC. 

But yes, the original poster should visit both.  Notre Dame is definitely not for everyone.  I'm just responding to a poster's assessment that UIUC places much better in Chicago than ND. 

I think that is a bit misleading.  One, that is a list of only the 20 largest law firms, not really a representative list.  Two, Illinois class size is 200.  Three, a third of UIUC students go outside of Illinois for their first jobs. 

Chicago is a huge legal market and obviously the first choice for a lot of people at UIUC.  Those that want to go to other markets can and do.

If the cost is the same I would say visit both schools and see what seems a better fit.  I can't see paying significantly more for either of them.

Forgot something else.  That list is in no way complete or verified.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UIUC v. Notre Dame
« on: February 18, 2006, 08:25:04 AM »

That is a rough list of Vault 20 firms.  Notre Dame has more total offers than UIUC (15 v. 13) even though Notre Dame has a much smaller class size (if I'm not mistaken, approx. 180 v. 260). 

Between UIUC and ND, I would go to ND without a second thought, even if there was a discrepency in merit money.  ND places just as well as UIUC does in Chicago and places much better elsewhere.

No question, for Chicago go to Illinois. ND probably places better outside of IL than Illinois but because of the tuition difference it's really a no brainer.

This is really bad advice.  Notre Dame has made a killing lately in the big Chicago firms, third only to the University of Chicago and Northwestern.  For example, Kirkland has extended offers to five Notre Dame students this year.

Where did you find this information?  Just curious...

Also, what advice would anyone give if Illinois and ND were going to cost the same amount, regardless of residency?

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