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General Board / Re: Presidential Hopeful ...
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:37:19 PM »

[...] David Axelrod, Obama's top strategist, has already called Sen. Clinton and her campaign says she is fully vetted, but the truth is that she is a veteran of non-disclosure. [...]


diveroll, you meant "David Axelrod, Obama's top strategist, has already called Sen. Clinton and her campaign that say she's fully vetted, not truthful when the truth is that she is a veteran of non-disclosure," didn't you? 


Well, Obama has not only Axlerod, but also that idiotic Amber Lee Ettinger -- "the Obama girl." Lately she returned with another idiotic piece called 'Hillary, stop the attacks!'

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama_girl_returns_hillary_sto.html

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General Board / Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:31:34 PM »

Clinton's superdelegates are sticking with her. Nationwide, the 796 superdelegates will make up a 5th of the total at the Democratic convention. They likely will swing toward one candidate to decide the outcome should the primaries and caucuses, which wrap up June 3, fail to do so. While it is true that Obama leads in all three categories and it's considered unlikely that Clinton will overtake him, neither Obama nor Clinton, at this point, can win the majority of delegates needed for nomination solely through the primaries and caucuses.


Don't even think about her quitting! Did ya hear her joke yesterday?

Following a speech before hundreds of labor union members, the press was told Hillary Clinton would hold a press conference. The press sat patiently for Clinton to finish shaking hands with supporters in the other room. Within minutes, a somber looking Clinton approached the podium, her equally morose looking staff stood nearby. "I want to take a moment to say that this has been a very hard fought race. Each of us is drawing enormous support. We clearly need to do something so that our party and the people can make the right decision," Clinton said. At this point many in the press thought Clinton might drop the bomb that she is calling it quits in the race. But it soon became clear that Clinton was only joking.

"Today I am challenging Senator Obama to a bowl off, a bowling night, right here in Pennsylvania winner take all," said Clinton as the press chuckled. "I will even spot him 2 frames. It's time for his campaign to get out of the gutter and allow all of the pins to be counted. I am prepared to play this game all the way to 10th frame. And when this game is over the America people will know when that phone rings at 3am they will have a president who will be able to bowl on day one so let's strike a deal and go bowling for delegates. We don't have a moment to spare, because itís already April Fools Day, so happy April Fools Day everybody." This isn't the first time Clinton has addressed the press in a tongue-in-cheek fashion. A few months ago Clinton unveiled her campaign airplane as "Hill Force One" saying, "Welcome to Hill-Force One. FAA regulations prohibit the use of any cell phones, blackberries and/or wireless devices that may be used to transmit a negative story about me. Now in a few minutes," she continued, "I am going to switch off the fasten your seatbelt sign, however, I've learned lately that things can get awfully bumpy when you least expect it, so you might want to keep those seatbelts fastened."

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General Board / Diana was bugged by secret service in US
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:20:55 PM »
American intelligence agencies were bugging Princess Diana's telephone over her relationship with a US billionaire, the Evening Standard learned back in 2006. She was even forced to abandon a planned holiday with her sons in the US with tycoon Teddy Forstmann on advice from secret services, who passed on their concerns to their British counterparts. Both US and British intelligence then forced Diana to change her plans to stay with Mr Forstmann in the summer of 1997, saying it was too "dangerous" to take her sons there. Instead the princess took the fateful decision to take a summer break with Harrods owner Mohamed Fayed. This ultimately led to her going to Paris with his son Dodi, where they died in a car crash.



The revelation from independent inquiries by the Evening Standard came as it emerged that Princess Diana's phone was bugged by US intelligence agencies on the night she died without the permission of the British secret intelligence services. Authoritative leaks say the extraordinary revelations were published by Lord Stevens and were bound to raise fresh questions about conspiracy theories. The US secret service was monitoring Diana's friendship with the controversial financier Mr Forstmann for some weeks. Mohamed Fayed has always insisted the princess and Dodi Fayed were murdered in a plot involving MI6 agents and US intelligence.

The Standard learned that Diana had agreed to a week's holiday with princes William and Harry in the US. She had accepted an invitation from her one-time American boyfriend Mr Forstmann to stay with him at his house in the Hamptons. But as she was travelling with the princes, she needed the trip to be cleared by the British security services. They surprisingly vetoed Diana's plans because of concerns about the security surrounding the billionaire's homes or perhaps a possible threat from elsewhere. The decision by the security services ultimately led to Diana striking up her friendship with Dodi and returning to the south of France to holiday with him. This led to her being in Paris on 31 August, the day of the crash. The Evening Standard also understood that US secret services had a number of secret files on Diana and her closest associates that are held by the national security agency. The files, which included reports from foreign intelligence - thought to include MI5 and MI6 - come under both top secret and secret categories. The reports could not be released because of "exceptionally grave damage to the national security". The documents on the princess seemed to have arisen because of the company she kept rather than through any attempt to target her. Diana enjoyed an intimate friendship with Mr Forstmann after her relationship with Prince Charles had broken down.

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General Board / CHELSEA SAYS NO, AGAIN!
« on: April 02, 2008, 03:13:29 PM »


Chelsea will be 35 in 2015


Chelsea Clinton questioned over father's affair with Monica Lewinsky

Chelsea Clinton, campaigning for her mother Hillary at universities across the United States, has been forced for the first time to respond publicly to a question about her father Bill's affair with Monica Lewinsky. She looked briefly taken aback before responding:"Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question in the, I don't know maybe, 70 college campuses I've now been to, and I do not think that is any of your business," she said. Miss Clinton, an awkward 12-year-old when her father entered the White House in 1992, is now a poised woman of 28 who has taken a leave of absence from a New York hedge fund to help in her motherís battle to become the first female US president. She has largely operated under the radar, speaking frequently to the kind of young audiences that often favour Mrs Clintonís rival Barack Obama but never granting interviews and being protected by campaign aides who swoop on any reporter who has the temerity to attempt to ask a question. Events are usually arranged at short notice and only publicised locally. In some cases it is specified that only students are allowed to attend.



The limitations of this strategy became clear on Tuesday, however, when Miss Clinton was asked at Butler University in Indianapolis about the Lewinsky scandal and also her memories of a trip to Tuzla in Bosnia when she was 16. Mrs. Clinton had been forced to admit she had "misspoken" about coming under sniper fire as she, her daughter, the comedian Sinbad and the singer Sheryl Crow had landed. A student asked Miss Clinton whether she remembered any incoming fire."Well sir, I think that my mother's on record as having talked about this and I support what she said. I mean, I was there as well and I'm so honoured that I was there." It was the practised answer of a politician and Miss Clinton has won praise for her command of the detail of her mother's policy proposals and ability to field just about any query.

The Lewinsky question, however, appeared to be a tricky one for her. Mr. Clinton's sexual scandals have been all but off limits as a subject for discussion during the campaign. He had asked the question because his friends "always bring up that scandal" and "it's not something I asked to cause trouble but to show those people what makes Hillary so strong". It had been an opportunity for Miss Clinton to talk about her mother's strength, he said. "I can see where she'd get a little defensive because of the question and hearing Lewinsky over and over again, but I would like to hear her say something about Hillary rather than dismissing the question." John McCain, the Republican nominee for the presidency, has also enlisted the support of his daughter. But Meghan McCain, 23, steers clear of politics and instead fills her blogs with fashion and make-up tips and happily describes herself as "an airhead". After meeting Miss Clinton, Miss McCain noted that she had "really cute shoes". Blogging about a recent trip to the White House, she told her readers: "Before there are any peanut gallery comments, no it didn't feel like a 'home'. At home, I lounge around in sweatpants. We met Mrs Bush and Jenna who gave us a tour. "It is everything people say it is and more. Just truly, absolutely breathtaking. "However, I do think it's in need of some modern art. I was an art history major after all and love everything Andy Warhol has done - there should be one in the White House!"

CHELSEA SAYS NO, AGAIN!

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/04/01/costello.chelsea.says.no.cnn?iref=24hours

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Socratic Method / Breach of Obama's Passport Files Investigated
« on: April 02, 2008, 02:41:23 PM »
I guess nobody thought how important the issue of Social Security Numbers and the like is until Obama's passport files snooping was reported,

Obama's records were accessed without permission on three separate occasions ó Jan. 9, Feb. 21 and March 14. It is not clear whether the employees saw anything other than the basic personal data such as name, citizenship, age, Social Security number and place of birth, which is required when a person fills out a passport application. Aside from the file, the information could allow critics to dig deeper into the candidates' private lives. While the file includes date and place of birth, address at time of application and the countries the person has traveled to, the most important detail would be their Social Security number, which can be used to pull credit reports and other personal information.

The violations were detected by internal State Department computer checks because certain records, including those of high-profile people, are "flagged" with a computer tag that tips off supervisors when someone tries to view the records without a proper reason. The system, which focuses on politicians and celebrities, was put in place in recent years, after the State Department was embroiled in a scandal involving the access of the passport records of then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton in 1992. The FBI launched an investigation after the State Department reported that someone had ripped out pages from his passport file from the late 1960s and '70s. The department concluded that a search of Clinton's passport records was an attempt to influence the presidential election, reportedly by trying to show that Clinton tried to seek citizenship in another country to avoid the draft. Clinton was running against President George H.W. Bush. Then-State Department Inspector General Sherman Funk found no evidence the White House ordered department staffers to dig for political dirt in Clinton's passport files. However, Funk said the White House probably knew it was happening.

Here it is a discussion of the controversy:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/20/obama.passport/#cnnSTCVideo

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