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Transferring / Re: Transferring from full time to part time program
« on: April 17, 2008, 01:45:04 PM »
GW to GULC is a retarded move. Especially FT to PT.

You will have the same options if you had numbers good enough to be accepted to GULC.

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Transferring / Re: GULC Status Checker -- Anyone Go Decision?
« on: April 08, 2008, 12:48:32 PM »
My status is "Decision" now too.  I know it's all speculation but now I'm thinking seriously about what to do.  I'm curious--and i'm sure this has all been said on another thread, but is there something to be said about staying at your current school with a top 5% rank--or even higher.  I'm lower tier two (in the 80's), and would love to hear any feedback on the pros and cons.  Also, what you all think the fall recruiting is like for transfers at G-Town, considering there would likely be around 100 of us.

Thanks

From the lower tier 2, I would stay at your current school with that rank.

I'm in the same position, applied to GULC, and am awaiting decision. If I make the same rank for this semester, I'll be in the top 5-10% of the class AND will be able to grade onto law review. I think top 10-15% + LR at any tier1/2 school is MUCH better than being a transfer student at GULC. I applied only as a safety in case I get bad grades this semester.

Basically, with that rank you can have your pick of firms. Law review only sweetens the deal.

At GULC, you're not ranked and don't have any grades for the Fall OCI. I hear they kind of use your old rank and then subtract a bunch. So if you're top 10% at your old school, employers treat you like you were top 20-25% at GULC for hiring purposes. Not a bad place to be, but top 10% is a great place at any school.

At your school you probably already have housing set up, friends, and know profs. Thus, you can get good recommendations if you decide to clerk (and you will be able to clerk with that rank at a T1/T2).

Think long and hard about moving from a great position at a tier 2 to starting all over at a new school, even one ranked as GULC is. As for me, if my grades tank this semester (unlikely), I'll take my acceptance to GULC. If they stay the same, I'm staying put.

However, I would transfer to NYU/Columbia with my rank, just not worth it for GULC.

That's my two cents.

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General Board / Re: Department of Justice
« on: March 06, 2008, 09:38:28 PM »
Not prestigious at all. However, the experience is good.

The SLIP is pretty tough to get and is actually pretty prestigious though.

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1L job search / Re: Job offer but pay is low...should I counter?
« on: March 04, 2008, 08:39:23 PM »
I disagree Peaches. But fair enough. I'm going to do what I think is best that'll be that. Good luck the rest of the semester.

You're trying to mislead a lot of people. Regardless of whether you're doing what you want or not, you're working a job that you likely could have gotten out of high school.

It's like getting a masters degree specifically to work at Starbucks; sure, you can do it, but you would be very overqualified.

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1L job search / Re: Job offer but pay is low...should I counter?
« on: March 04, 2008, 08:01:40 PM »
insulting the people who can't find jobs as having no personality or interview skills is not a wise idea. I know a LOT of these people, and I can say that for many of them, this is just untrue. It's a tight market right now, and while I don't think that's an excuse to sit on your butt, it does mean that a lot of desirable people can't find a paying job. Karma is a bitchh on this kind of stuff, so I suggest you stay humble at this early stage in your legal career and be grateful for someone giving you a break.
And no, I'm not bitter--I have a job, I just feel very badly for my friends who (through no fault of their own) don't.

Maybe their fault was slacking off in UG or not bothering to study hard for the LSAT and thus getting into a crap school where you can't get a job w/ top 10% and law review or whatever?

I mean, maybe their instant situation isn't their fault, but they got themselves into the mess either by slacking off too much in UG, on the LSAT, in law school, or not bothering to "network."

I'm going to keep harping on it...

I don't think tier has anything to do w/ finding work.

Then it's just that people from good schools are smarter and harder working? No offense, I didn't have much trouble finding a job paying a very good amount for my first summer, neither did my classmates. The only people without jobs through 2L OCI are either completely inept at interviews or are in the bottom 10%, and even those people end up in midlaw making $100k/year.

Your school has really indoctrinated you with the whole "you're just as good as people at top schools and will be able to find jobs as easily as them" propaganda, huh? Ironic given that the ONLY OFFER you've found is for a firm trying to pay you $10/hr...

That's fine, you are the one who made your choices, but saying that "tiers don't matter when finding jobs" when your life is proving the exact opposite is quite delusional, wouldn't you agree?

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1L job search / Re: how long to receive decision after call back?
« on: March 04, 2008, 07:45:26 PM »
I did a callback interview friday from an OCI, and like any good law student i've become absolutely neurotic waiting to hear back.  How long does it usually take to receive a yes/no (if there is a usual time)?  Thanks

They will call back within 5.6 days, that's exactly how every firm does it and exactly the callback time you should expect from the firm you interviewed with.

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1L job search / Re: Job offer but pay is low...should I counter?
« on: March 04, 2008, 07:44:05 PM »
insulting the people who can't find jobs as having no personality or interview skills is not a wise idea. I know a LOT of these people, and I can say that for many of them, this is just untrue. It's a tight market right now, and while I don't think that's an excuse to sit on your butt, it does mean that a lot of desirable people can't find a paying job. Karma is a bitchh on this kind of stuff, so I suggest you stay humble at this early stage in your legal career and be grateful for someone giving you a break.
And no, I'm not bitter--I have a job, I just feel very badly for my friends who (through no fault of their own) don't.

Maybe their fault was slacking off in UG or not bothering to study hard for the LSAT and thus getting into a crap school where you can't get a job w/ top 10% and law review or whatever?

I mean, maybe their instant situation isn't their fault, but they got themselves into the mess either by slacking off too much in UG, on the LSAT, in law school, or not bothering to "network."

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1L job search / Re: Job offer but pay is low...should I counter?
« on: March 04, 2008, 07:40:57 PM »


I still want to make a counter just because I know that a few of the positions I have lined up pay atleast 12-15 per hour and I think one of those will pan out.


After hearing all the wisdom of your peers, I still think that is the right move.  I think it can be done with tact.  And, I think it can be done without conditioning acceptance of employment on the add'l $5/hr.  That is, "I accept, but how do you feel about $15/hr."  They may counter w/ $12/hr, in which case you are better off. 

From the firm's perspective: 
Paying you $15 is still a deal over the prior paralegal, especially if they are investing in your future, and acquiring someone w/your Spanish skills.



You think $15 is a deal for the firm to get a T4 grad when there are countless other T2,3,4 people without jobs? Even in this thread, people are complaining that they are either finding no work or taking unpaid things.

Honestly, I think if OP asks for a 50% raise, they will shoot him down.

That would be like me calling the firm I'm going to be working for this summer and telling them that $2,600/week isn't enough, I need $3,900 or else! Preposterous.

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Transferring / T25 ---> T20
« on: February 26, 2008, 08:27:29 PM »
So I love my school, but for personal reasons relating to my fiancee taking a job in a new location, I am interested in transferring.

Basically, I currently go to a T25 and want to transfer to a non-west coast T20.

Any ideas on what kind of rank I would need? Is it basically the same top 10-15% as everyone else, or do I have more leeway?

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