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Ya know this is an interesting topic.  I don't tell anyone, if people ask me what I do I say I'm a secretary, don't feel the need to add but i'm going to law school or anything like that.  In fact only two people at work know I'm going to law school and those were the ones who wrote my lors.  Now it's gotten to the point where I'm gonna be starting soon and I'm gonna feel funny when it gets out and people that I'm cool with at work are gonna feel funny because I didn't tell them.   :-\ Don't know how I'm gonna deal with that.  It's not like I keep it a secret I just don't share my personal info.  But I know when people start asking me why am I staying late or leaving my car here at night (law school isn't far away so I can leave it in my job's parking lot and not have to pay for parking) and I tell them cause I go to law school.  I may alienate some people, darn it, what can I say when they ask me why I didn't tell them.

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Just got back to my side of the country after going to both ASDs. In general I agree with the impressions of Considering_law. I did a couple of things off the beaten path during the weekend that I thought I'd highlight in addition.

Rutgers made a point to put me in a tour group, after the panel discussion, with a former Seattleite as well as another U of Wash. grad who was out for the ASD as well. She was able to answer a great deal of our questions in a way that a NY/NJ local wouldn't have and I really appreciated the extra effort. Afterwards three of us potentials went out with a group of about 8 3Ls to Hoboken to have a few beers and talk about the school. This was a real benefit for me, I'd grown weary of only hearing from the ra-ra "insert school here" students. Most of the students who went out with us we not involved with the ASD, and I appreciated a more tempered opinion or two. That said, they all seemed very pleased with their decisions and 3 of them were off to biglaw firms after the Spring.

After the SHU ASD there was an evening in the city hosted by current SHU students for those who'd been offered merit scholarships. It was a group of about 65 potentials and current students in NYC with a full hosted bar and a nice dinner. We got to chat without other faculty around for about 5 hours. The event was a roaring success, everyone seemed to be having a great time and the nature of a very well funded, private, institution was in full effect...I don't want to imagine what the bill was, they paid for EVERYTHING...transit from Newark to NYC via the PATH, dinner, drinks, shuttle back to Newark or vicinity late that night after dinner. That said, my overall feeling of SHU wasn't really helped by the event. The student I talked with the most was absolutely wonderful, but I couldn't shake that rich-kid feeling I got when I was at the ASD earlier in the day...younger crowd than SHU in general, more parents at the ASD, just not my crowd (couple years out of school, engaged, blue-collar family). SHU put on quite the show, my fiance told me she wanted me to go there at the end of the event, but in my gut I just didn't think the place was for me. I still have enough reservations about SHU not to withdraw quite yet, and I put in my Rutgers deposit to buy myself the extra few days before SHU's deadline comes, but I think I'll be at Rutgers in the fall.

I had the same feeling about Rutgers vs. Seton Hall.  It's weird too because I just KNEW I was gonna go to Seton Hall and only went to Rutgers ASD on a whim.  I will say I saw the difference between public vs. private when it came to extras like food & entertainment but it still wasn't enough to sway me back to Seton Hall.

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Thanks, congrats to you too. ;D
The walk was fine, the only major (big) street is broad, and the lights there are akin to ny, in that when it turns it's time to go.  Like I said earlier it was about 5 long blocks but the walk back didn't seem to take as long (perhaps because the weight of making a decision was finally gone) :-\

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Oh I'd also just like to add that since I already had free parking from seton hall.  I walked from seton hall to Rutgers (about 5 blocks but big ones) and gave them my acceptance notification plus my admission deposit.  When I got home a nice e-mail was waiting for me informing me they received my deposit and were pleased I was joining the law school.  ;D

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Rutgers-Newark ASD vs. Seton Hall ASD
« on: March 30, 2007, 06:26:03 PM »
Ok, let me start by saying when I first considered law school, I visited one school Seton Hall and was hooked.  It was the only place I wanted to attend and only applied to Rutgers cause I didn't want to just apply to one school.   :-\

Anywho, I got accepted into Rutgers first so it was a relief cause I knew atleast I'd be going to law school then I got accepted to Seton Hall so I was like  ;D
Well I attended Rutgers Coffee & More event a week prior to ASD just for the heck of it and found myself intrigued for the first time about Rutgers so I decided to attend their ASD yesterday at the last minute. So with that being said...

Rutgers
For this event you could park in the Rutgers parking lot and pay the student rate of $3.21 (beats parking on the street and worrying you got a ticket-Newark cops are ruthless)  I arrived, got my name tag and was sent to their conference room where the event was to begin.  First the dean made a speech about the benefits of a Rutgers law education and then the panelists (all former Rutgers students of various backgrounds) spoke about Rutgers and their experience.  I must say I found the speeches boring and uneventful.  The real pleasure for me came when current students took us from there and we went into a small conference room to talk "real talk" as one student put it.  As a prospective evening student it was important for me to find out how it was for other evening students handled the rigors of law school while balancing work and family.  To be honest I think that was missing from the panel, all the panel members had been full time day students.

It was from talking to those individuals that I really got a feel for what law school was gonna be like for someone like me and was rather comforting.  We then went downstairs for some light refreshments of cheese, crackers, fruit, and wine.  Also, the diversity was so evident at Rutgers that I could not help but feel at ease and made many contacts in the short hours I was there, exchanging e-mails & phone numbers promising to call one another once we made a decision.  Also, I was accepted into the minority student program which I applied to without knowing too much about it, the brochure on the website I feel is rather vague.  What I did learn from the MSP representative and also from students involved in it was that it was a valuable resource for helping students achieve success in law school and make extensive contacts with MSP alumni through various on-campus events.

It was then that I seriously started to consider Rutgers even more.  So to that end the Rutgers ASD was a success for me.  Next it was on to Seton Hall.

Seton Hall
Seton Hall validated my parking for this event so I didn't have to pay anything.  I entered the building and was greeted to coffee, juice, water and an assortment of pastries and bagels.  Not bad...
I then went into a huge auditorium where the dean introduced members of the seton hall law student softball team who were on their way to virginia to participate in a tournament.  I was shocked to discover that a law school had an athletic team and then found out that they had in fact 3 teams.  Afterward various other faculty members gave speeches about the program at Seton Hall.  To be honest, I felt the speeches were boring once again and in this case rushed as faculty members had to hurry along their planned speeches because someone prior had run over.
Next came a mock class in which the professor treated us as students and asked us relevant questions based upon a recent case.  I really felt engaged during that time but it too was rushed.  We then heard from the student body president as he briefly talked about his experiences at Seton hall.  Afterwhich, a current student gave us a speed tour of the facility and we ended the tour on the first floor for lunch. This consisted of penne pasta, grilled chicken breast, mixed vegetables, rolls and for desert, oatmeal raisin cookies, chocolate chip cookies, and some delicious brownies.
It was during lunch that various faculty members circulated the tables stopping to talk to all the prospective students.  Current students stopped and ate with us as well.  It was the rapor between the current students and faculty which I found to be the most enjoyable.  I found the faculty to be funny, easy to talk to and in one case jokingly referred to as the greatest dancer in the world.   ;D

One student accounted how one of his professors is in a band with him and often brings his guitar to class and sings about cases.  Another told of how a professor treats class like a game show, calling on 30-35 people per class.  Apparently, all the students love him. 

So now it was time to make my decision.  Rutgers deadline is April 1st, to be honest I didn't so much care before if it passed me by because I knew I was going to Seton Hall but now I really had a tough decision to make.

Rutgers-diverse class both ethnically and age wise; has the Minority Student program which could be advantageous if taken advantage of properly; much cheaper tuition because of my NJ residency; not as technologically savy as I would like with some  teachers banning laptops from their class(students surfing the net and playing games was the reason); declining in rankings (currently lower ranked than seton hall)

Seton Hall-more technologically savy (laptops a requirement all tests done on laptop); strong student-centered program ($100,000 given to student organizations, students are members of all boards, i.e. determining curriculum, how school money should be spent); relaxed & easy going teachers giving off a sense community atmosphere; improving in rankings; not much diversity both ethnically and age wise; most students coming straight from undergrad or 1 year later; No minority student program.

So in the end I decided to go with...

Rutgers.   ;D

Who would've thought it.  It seemed that for the stage of life that I'm in (good lawd I sound old, I'm only 27 darn it!)  I need a program that's gonna be more supportive of my obligations as a full-time worker and a mom.  I felt the support system that Rutgers provides is better in this aspect than that of seton hall which really doesn't have a whole lot of older people with those  types of obligations.  Also, the minority student program at Rutgers puts you into a mandatory study group with your peers which for me is a good thing since I tend to be introverted and probably wouldn't seek one out otherwise.  Also, they give you a mentor for every class you take which can only assist in your learning.  Finally, by adhering to these components you are guaranteed an internship through the MSP.  For me this was a critical issue, having not done an internship during undergrad and paying severly for that mistake. :-[  I just couldn't pass all those things up then add to it that the tuition is much more affordable and even though declined in rankings Rutgers has a name to it that will definitely assist me in obtaining a job in NJ which is where I want to work anyway.

Whew, that was a long post but I felt the need to share since I've gotten soo much information from this board and thought I had figured everything out until I actually visited.  My advice, VISIT every place you're considering, you may be pleasantly surprised.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help, I only have til April 1st
« on: March 22, 2007, 02:58:10 PM »
So I called the financial aid office.  My package wasn't in the newest batch they sent out. :'(
They said they just recently received my SAR report and that a new batch will be printing out on Tuesday since they only do it 2 times a week.  She said she'd call me if my name was in the new batch on Tuesday.  At this point, next tuesday is the 27th, I only have til the 1st to make my decision.  Oh boy. :(

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help, I only have til April 1st
« on: March 22, 2007, 11:17:38 AM »
 :-\

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Where should I go next fall? / Help, I only have til April 1st
« on: March 22, 2007, 10:49:47 AM »
How can I choose a law school if I haven't been sent my financial aid package from one yet?  I have to choose between Rutgers-Newark and Seton Hall.  Problem is, Seton Hall didn't send me their financial aid package yet (according to them they start sending them out March 16th) but Rutgers needs my answer by April 1st.  What should I do?  I want to go to Seton Hall but I need to make sure I can get enough money to pay for it, whereas Rutgers sent me their financial aid package so I know I can afford that.  Anyone got any suggestions? :-\

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Law School Applications / Re: Seton Hall vs. Rutgers-Newark
« on: January 25, 2007, 11:07:11 PM »
I would be interested in hearing what others had to say as well.  I just got my acceptance to Seton Hall today (having previously been accepted to Rutgers-Newark).  So now I'm trying to decide between the two.  I think for me it's gonna come down to the financial aid packet, Rutgers being a public school and me being a resident of NJ decreases the tuition significantly than that from Seton Hall.  However, a lot of lawyers I've spoken to who have went to Rutgers and Seton hall have told me that a)they wish they had gone to seton hall b) they were glad they went to Seton hall.  One Rutgers alumni explained it as being that Rutgers was a public school, the alumni doesn't have as strong a network as Seton hall, they feel that since they had it hard at Rutgers so should you.  Whereas Seton Hall alumni really look out for recent grads, more of a sense of pride in the school. :-\

Personally, I visited Seton Hall for an open house and loved the environment/atmosphere.  It felt soo welcoming and they really cater to the students.  I didn't feel that same way from Rutgers staff.  They kind of downplayed student involvement.

But eventhough ideally I would like to attend Seton hall, alot is really gonna depend on the financial aspect. :-\

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Law School Applications / One Month Later!
« on: January 17, 2007, 09:20:30 PM »
I submitted my application online through LSAC to Seton Hall on 12/19 a paper copy was sent 12/22.  Why did I just get a letter today dated 1/12/07 that they received my application and will be requesting my LSAC report.  Eventhough according to LSAC they requested it a loooong time ago.  What the heck? :-\

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