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Socratic Method / Re: STANDOUT CASES
« on: November 01, 2006, 01:34:20 PM »
I like the crim law case where a bunch of people are involved in a shipwreck and floating around on a raft. They decide to kill and eat the weakest person, but then they're saved. The question is whether their actions were excused by "necessity" and whether they should have waited longer before eating him, etc. Gross.

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General Board / Re: Rutgers-Camden
« on: August 05, 2006, 12:25:00 PM »
i just graduated from there in may. feel free to ask any questions. it's a good school. crappy neighborhood. but you're close to philly so doesn't matter too much.

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General Board / Re: Are there any WNEC Law students posting here?
« on: July 28, 2006, 10:45:59 AM »
well, that explains it!

i didn't attend WNEC, but i just spent the last couple of months there taking bar/bri and the bar exam. compared to my LS (which i love, but whose facilities SUCK), the campus is beautiful. it really was a pleasure being there this summer. the people are friendly, everything is clean and in good working order, etc.


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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: HELP! Bar Review/Social Life
« on: July 24, 2006, 12:11:29 AM »
it's totally normal. i'm sure you won't believe me, but be glad that you don't live with him right now. i am thisclose to killing my husband just for being around the house too much, and for nagging me about not spending enough time with him, not doing anything around the house, etc. i HAVE taken time out to spend with my kids (not as much as i'd like) and it has totally set me back. i consider time with my kids necessary, and i have no choice but to have my husband around (and i've even gone to a movie, some dinners, etc with him). if i had just a boyfriend who didn't live with me, i would not be spending any time with him right now. maybe a phone call or email at night to check in, that's it.

don't feel bad, it's not you and it's not a dis. he probably had lots of time for you during school, and it's hard to understand why he has none now. bar prep truly is much more time-consuming than law school. hang in there.

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General Board / Re: shamelessly requesting free legal advice
« on: June 18, 2006, 03:54:18 PM »
**disclaimer -- not an attorney, so not qualified to give advice, :)

but here's my two cents anyway--

since he's just a subletter, i would doubt that you have to go through the legal eviction process. i could be totally off base, since i know nothing about connecticut law and am merely a law graduate studying for the bar. but since he is your sublessee, the contract is between you and him, not him and the landlord. i would think that you could just get in there when he's not there and change the locks or something. he's not on the lease; you are.

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General Board / Re: 1L - Time for sports???
« on: June 18, 2006, 03:49:58 PM »
i'm going to disagree. yes, it'll be tough but if it's really something you want to do, you'll find the time. plenty of people raise children, hold down jobs, and do lots of other things while attending law school, so why not row?

the downside is that the extra time may come out of your social life. you're probably not going to be able to go drinking every night, get up at 5 am to spend 2 hours rowing, AND keep up with your studies. you may have to make some sacrifices, but it can be done if you're committed.

i held down a full-time job, i have two kids, i had a long commute. i just graduated with honors. believe me, if i were you and had no spouse, no kids, no commute, no job, i could find two hours a day to row, if i really wanted to. it's all a matter of prioritization.

a lot of what you hear about spending every spare moment during 1L studying is bull, unless you go to a hypercompetitive school (e.g., low-ranked cooley type school), which i didn't. if that's the case, then i could be way off).

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General Board / Re: Are there any WNEC Law students posting here?
« on: June 17, 2006, 11:39:31 PM »
i agree that WNEC is a decent school. i didn't go there, but am from western mass and pretty familiar with the school. if you want to work in wmass, i think you'll be fine. if you want to work elsewhere, you probably won't be any worse off than if you went to any other T4 school. if you had an awesome LSAT and GPA, you probably wouldn't be considering WNEC in the first place, so it might be a good option for you.

while i agree it is a good school, i have just one quibble: a WNEC grad landed a job paying $500,000 right out of law school? did i read that right? i call bull.

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General Board / Re: defering for an internship
« on: June 17, 2006, 11:30:39 PM »
i've heard that this sort of thing is not a good idea -- as other posters have mentioned, you won't be doing anything more than clerical work. and (allegedly) once you work at a firm as a clerical-type worker, they are very unlikely to hire you at a later point as a legal intern or attorney.

i find it hard to believe that this would be true in every case -- i'm sure there are some firms that would, if they liked you, consider you for positions once you've started/finished law school. but the fact that many firms are unlikely to to do this is something to think about.

like i said, i don't know for a fact that this is true, but if it is, then you would not only be doing uninteresting work, but you wouldn't be doing anything to increase your employment prospects either.

i think the other posters are right -- you're already accepted, so just jump into law school. the only reason to take this internship option would be if you were rejected from school and wanted to show your commitment to law for the next application cycle, or if, as one poster suggested, you aren't quite ready for law school or aren't 100% sure that it's what you want to do.

you said your school is committed to giving its school internships, so you have nothing to lose by starting school and doing a similar internship sometime during school.

good luck, whatever you decide!

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OP, as i'm sure you've gathered from the other posts, often the amount of work that a law student has to do is inversely proportional to the quality of the school: the lower-ranked the school, the more competitive the atmosphere and thus the more stressed out the students might be.

i'm sure there are exceptions, but many of the lower-ranked schools fail out a certain percentage of the first year class as a matter of course -- in other words, no matter how well you do and how well you understand the material, if you are in the bottom, say, 20% of the class, you might get kicked out anyway.

not to say it isn't tough to be a harvard law student (i can only imagine it would be difficult), but at the higher ranked schools, there is less likely to be this hyper-competitive atmosphere, and the exams are more likely to be open book.  this doesn't necessarily make the exams easier (since memorization won't get you anywhere on these types of exams), but it does relieve the stress of trying to memorize a bunch of stuff by rote.

so, the amount of stress your boyfriend/brother go through in law school may have a lot to do with the quality of and exam/grading policies of the schools they attend.  also, their natural intelligence will have some impact on how much they have to study. while everyone does have to do a fair amount of reading to do well, some people pick up the concepts pretty easily while others struggle. and it's more complicated because re-reading the material doesn't necessarily help -- it's not like undergrad where there's a book with a list of what you're supposed to "learn" written in it (well, i guess there are -- study aids). so doing more work doesn't necessarily equal progress if you're not getting it. 

the good news is that once things start to click -- a couple of months into the first year, maybe -- life gets a lot easier. and once they survive an exam period or two, they'll stress out a lot less.  being supportive and helping to contribute to a calm "home life," as another poster suggested, is a great way for you to help. i think it's great that you're taking such an interest.

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i really like the sum & substance series in general. but i took civ pro before i discovered that series, so i'm not sure how that specific set is. i really liked them for classes that are heavily rules-based (evidence, tax, property, etc.)

for civ pro, i used the tapes by glannon (i think they're called "examples & explanation" -- they're associated with the book). they were great. they helped me to end up with the highest grade in the class. (but if you use them, i have to warn you: glannon has a very soothing voice -- it might not be a good idea to drive while listening to them because you might fall asleep at the wheel. seriously.)

i bet the PMBR tapes would be good, too -- i've just started listening to their bar prep series and they seem pretty well done and easy to follow.

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