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Current Law Students / Re: sheep, all of us sheep
« on: March 24, 2007, 04:32:20 PM »
this whole site reeks of weak, baa-ing little sheep looking for reassurance. (watch my rep fall another few points, it was -3 as of this posting).  "the sting in any rebuke is the truth". -benjamin franklin

My negative rep destroys yours!

And for that, I commend you.  Better say something offensive, quick.  Alienate a whole tier worth of students or something.

whaaa?  what terrifies me about this comment, and i think it's symptomatic of a particular generation, if that it betrays a belief that this little chatroom world in any way mirrors reality.

please rewrite this more concisely. also dont try and act smart, it makes you seem dumb.

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Current Law Students / Re: Reneging on a Job Acceptance
« on: March 24, 2007, 04:30:00 PM »
are people actually insinuating that accepting an offer for a job is a binding contract?

wow

take firm B if they offer you a job, but contact firm A as soon as you make that decision so they can find someone else.

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Current Law Students / Re: Is it true .. NO FREE TIME?
« on: March 24, 2007, 04:17:13 PM »
tag
i cite this as one of countless threads which prove my original point some weeks ago (someone will find the quote) that this is a place for sheep who need reassuring that all will be well.  weak little 22 year-olds scared of the world.  dude, law school is entirely voluntary.  i absolutely adore the way people obsess over the silliest things like "will i meet somebody?" or "how humiliating is the socratic method...really?" or "will i soil myself when i am called upon?".  i'll bet you are the variety of tit who pays for chemo for his cat while millions of people die every year from malaria...yep, you're the guy who thinks SUV emissions are a big deal when we have obscenities like the Darfur, East Timor, and female circumcision going on...what a bunch of weak ninnies...it is f&%king school guys...if you worked at a 711 the rest of your puff your standard of living would still exceed that of most of the human beings on the planet you egotistical idiiots...i cannot wait to meet all of you in the cold, cold world, i'll eat your lunches your assortment of sad, twitching nerve bundles.  what an effete group of dilletantes we sound like. jesus, i'm going to go puke.

1:  you dont have to "tag" if you're writing a reply anyway.  that accomplishes the "tagging" on its own.

2:  yeah school is voluntary, which means you dont have to go, which means if you are thinking of going, you actually have to make a decision one way or the other, which means you might like to ask some questions to see if its right for you.

you may not realize since you are so smart and exceptional at everything you do, but asking questions like how much time you have to put in, or about the socratic method might be material to someones decision if they would like to voluntarily enroll in law school.

im glad you have it all figured out, but other people might not.

3:  also, a little bit dramatic dont you think?

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Current Law Students / Re: Is it true .. NO FREE TIME?
« on: March 23, 2007, 03:50:27 PM »
I had many of the same questions as you did, I thought I would have no free time, but I found that I have as much as I did in undergrad. The operative thing is because in undergrad I was working 25-35 hours a week, now I'm not working at all. So it balances out. I give it about 3-5 hours a day depending on the work load for the week. However, during the first semester when your memo is due, expect your free time to be cut dramatically, in the two weeks coming up to the due date you'll gradually increase the amount of time you spend working until it almost is exclusive of your entire day. Also the 2-3 approaching finals expect to be dead to the outside law school world. It's hard, but it's not as much as other people will make it seem. I was able to play rugby full time, maintain a social life and do very well my first semester. On the weekends expect a few hours a day on saturday and sunday (if you're flying home, that may be ample) or you can do it all at once in one day and take the other off. Some people make it seem much worse than it is, but in my opinion it's not all that bad.

I agree 100%

It all depends on how efficient you are at working.  If it takes you 2 hours to do an hour of reading (mixing in web surfing, IM'ing, tv) then youll feel as though you dont have much time.  If you are somewhat efficient you can have a good amount of free time.

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Current Law Students / Re: How much free time do you have as a 1L?
« on: February 03, 2007, 08:49:44 AM »
HA HA

I love these kinds of posts.  I go to a T2 in a big market, I study maybe 1-2 hrs a day.  Basically I do the reading for class the day before.  I do my legal writing papers a week or so before they are due, so on those weeks I spend a lot of time doing that.

I started studying for finals about 3 weeks before finals and basically looked over my notes and made a makeshift outline from my notes and random outlines on the internet.  I didn't really take any practice tests.

I don't really take notes in class, except for important stuff or if I don't understand something.  But I do pay attention in class and try to make sure I understand all the concepts we talked about that day.

I finished my 1L first semester ranked just inside the top 12% of my class.
Who are these people who "have no free time"... what the hell are you guys reading/studying all day?  OH and sitting in the library screwing around on the internet, or getting up every 10 minutes for snacks or socializing doesn't count as "studying"

Honestly, was there a need for the "HA HA" and "I love these kinds of posts?"  I mean I think its soooo cool that you can do so little work and finish in the top 12% of your class.  You are sooo smart!!  You don't take any practice tests?  Awesome!!  Some of us do need to do a lot of work though, so I know you like to brag to everyone about how you did so well by doing so little, but its really unnecessary.

perfect response

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Current Law Students / Re: E & E's, hornbooks, blah blah blah
« on: August 12, 2006, 07:41:09 AM »
You don't need anything else. Just read for class everyday and make sure you make good outlines. You've got enough reading to do as a 1L, why do you want to read anymore? You've already wasted money on LEEWS...

You've also fell for the hype of 1L and you haven't even started yet. Way to go.


How the heck am I supposed to know about all this stuff?  I've already got my $500 worth of books and I bought LEEWS but I really don't know what else I need to get to help me my first year.

PLEAS HELP!

Thanks Budlaw! Sorry I'm such a tool and "fell for it."  Shucks, I bet I'm the only one who cares enough to want to do my best.  I guess all those people who suggested LEEWS as a large factor in helping them do well in their 1L were lying.  Shame on me for believing them...

Yeah you are a tool, because you didn't talk to people who did well their 1L year without LEEWS. Of course they're going to say that it helped them, because how would they know that it didn't help them? What are they comparing their success to? It's not like they can do 1L without LEEWS and then do 1L with LEEWS. And you're a tool who's out of cash too.

You know how that OutKast song goes : "I'm just being honest"

To be fair, you also dont know if you'd have been in the top 5% of your class had you used LEEWS.

As far as the question at hand, it's very possible that supplements work better for some, and dont do much, if anything, for others.  I'd say that if it makes you feel more comfortable/prepared/confident, then it can't hurt. 

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Current Law Students / Re: JD without going to law school
« on: April 11, 2006, 09:51:36 PM »
Oops I misunderstood the original OP, I stand corrected.

Happens to everyone.

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Current Law Students / Re: Law School Weekends
« on: April 11, 2006, 09:49:22 PM »
This is top quality competition, and you can't beat them or at least be at the top simply by working hours on end.  You have to have a natural aptitude for grasping and applying legal concepts to new fact situations.  No amount of studying will get you to the top of the class if you don't at least have a gift for understanding and applying law.

Let me know how the studying goes.

Again, I admittedly opine with no practical knowledge to speak of, but it seems to me that the law is, like anything else, a skill.  Is there a natural talent?  Probably, but I just can't help but think that hard work is extremely valuable. I've had to work hard for most, if not all, of my life and I can tell you that it has made all the difference.  Its like a boxing match.  Some fighters are more naturally gifted than others.  However, talent alone is not enough.  One has to be willing to run the 10 miles per day, box the thousands of sparring rounds and put in the hundreds of hours of training in order to perform at maximum.  My prize fighting example of this is Mike Tyson.  He lost to Buster Douglas because he tried to rely solely on natural talent.  He didn't work nearly as hard as his opponent of lesser ability.  The end result was that Tyson got his arse handed to him by the guy with lesser talent.  Same thing with law, I would imagine.  You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't work, you won't succeed. I may not be the most talented guy in class, but I just refuse to be outworked.  If it takes me 18 hours per day to get the work done, then I will d**mn well work 18 hours.  If it takes less, then I'll work less.  But I will not quit until I fully grasp whatever material is assigned for that day.  Bottom line, nothing is handed to anyone.  If you want it, you have to work harder than anyone else for it.  That's how the best become the best.

I dont think he meant not working at all.  If Tyson trained half as much as Douglas, he would have won.  He barely trained, if at all.  If someone just naturally "gets it" and covers the material, he will out do someone who is not "getting it" and is studying 60 hours a week.

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Current Law Students / Re: JD without going to law school
« on: April 10, 2006, 09:12:02 AM »
BAD IDEA, Most places do not respect online degrees and as far as I know you can only practice in Ca and thats the hardest bar to pass.  Also when you send out your resume a missing ba/bs is a huge red flag, there are enough canidates with degrees that wo an undergrad you are screwed. sorry (az just voted the non law school route down)/

I dont think the OP said that they did not have a BA/BS.  They were merely asking if they can sit for the bar after going to a non-accredited (online) school.  Which the answer to is yes.

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Transferring / Re: reality check
« on: April 10, 2006, 08:54:24 AM »
ok guys, i'm new to the board and i go to touro law.  a tier 4 school.  what are my chances of leaving this school making a respectable amount.  i've done all the research looking at the average salary (not good).  i am in the top 1/3 of the class.  and want to transfer out.  i know i have to do well this semester to actually have a good shot at some better schools, but right now what schools do you guys think i have a good shot at?

Not gonna lie, the options out of Touro are limited, but it is not hopeless. The LI firm I work at has plenty of people from Touro there, and they do pretty well.  As for transferring, I'd say you have a decent shot at a T2.

If you want to stay in NY, send out some apps to Hofstra, SJU, and NYL.  Either of those schools will give you an advantage over Touro as to getting jobs.  Also, consider asking Touro for a scholarship because of your good work.

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