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Current Law Students / Re: What's good about being an attorney?
« on: February 24, 2006, 10:43:43 PM »
Madam, you're a good writer. Why is what you wrote relevant? Just curious. It was interesting, notably.

Current Law Students / Re: The Fact Is, Profs Don't Use The Socratic Method
« on: February 22, 2006, 11:11:24 PM »
Yalee, that is an awesome no-frills post following this virtual melee.

By the way, how is Yale Law (assuming that you're in law school there)?

A few comments:
aloha737pilot: I'm Catholic. Most Catholic churches, at least the vast majority (or all) of the churches I've visited, have respectable, attentive, calm, and intellectually invigorating yet also reasoned priests.

giffy: I understand your concern regarding taxes. If you have discounted the Laffer Curve, I suggest you revisit it. It helps clear up the basic counter-intuititiveness of reducing taxes for the richest tax payers; but, of course, it doesn't admit of indisputability.

Overall, I praise your efforts, Chris, to fight for what you believe in. Jesus said not to be luke-warm, if I recall correctly..

I believe debt is a big issue. Baby-boomers are not (and were not) necessarily out to get us. I do agree, however, that poor foresight and lack of appropriate priorities here will hurt us and our generation.

In terms of the cost of law school, it is both exorbitant and, in some ways, reasonable. Adam Smith's writings on the determinants of wages can inform this discussion. Moreover, on its face, the situation of most neophyte lawyers juxtaposed with that of most other workers - firemen, janitors, teachers, roofers, etc. - admits of the former not only having far more debt but also having far more long-term income potential, job flexibility, power, prestige, and so on. See the virtual equilibrium here? I believe that it takes hard work to become a lawyer. Yet it also produces quite ripe fruit.
(The previous comments does not suggest that one should not fight for qualitative improvements in the legal education system. Rather, it provides a context for outspoken concerns regarding the system and an appreciation of opportunities, which I assume exists.)
    In some ways, as has occurred throughout recorded history, those who attain power will attempt, unintentionally or in a premeditated manner, to maintain and increase their power. In the case of law, professors will earn tons of money without needing to teach most efficaciously, choosing instead to publish texts etc., and will have these choices honored by their sponsoring institutions. Insofar as market competition is unreactive, the allocation of resources in exchange for pay may be a non-zero-sum game. You may not get what you pay for. Likewise, any attempt at achieving a legal meritocracy may be proportionately thwarted. As you say, similar (law)people will be rewarded by similar predecessors and the cycle to some extent will continue. Yet is this fully inappropriate? Good question.

On balance, I enjoyed reading the vociferous argumentation here presented - even with its ad hominem bent. For those who have what clearly is a "correct" stance, I would encourage you to ask yourself questions about your stance while purposefully presupposing that the opposite stance (if such exists) is correct. This sort of process, dialectical/self-socratic in a sense (if there is such a thing), can help one to readily disentangle complex issues in a usefully disinterested way.

Current Law Students / Re: Socratic method & law school preparation
« on: February 22, 2006, 10:04:23 PM »
What has your Socratic Method experience been like (and, if you like, please feel free to add where you guy to school)?

Current Law Students / Socratic method & law school preparation
« on: February 22, 2006, 03:02:01 PM »
I've been told that it helps to take a Constitutional Law (or other law) class prior to law school to prepare for the Socratic method. I'm a prospective law student and am deciding whether to take such a course. Has anyone done so or know of someone who has? Was the class worthwhile?

Also, I have heard that taking a legal writing course and a course on the American legal system are helpful. Any thoughts on these? Thanks for your advice.

Any other thoughts out there?

Pursuing an LLM / Reasons for LLM
« on: February 21, 2006, 11:56:47 AM »
In a nutshell, what would you say are the main reasons that one would pursue an LLM? Also, must one have a JD before pursuing an LLM?

To what extent, if any, do you think the degree helped your chances of admission to law school?
And, wow, 45,000 words - I wrote about 20,000 in college which ended up at about 75 pages. Good work.

Current Law Students / Re: What's good about being an attorney?
« on: February 20, 2006, 06:06:26 PM »
This isn't one of those "free" online tests, like some online IQ tests, where one completes the questions but then must pay to get the result (e.g. score), is it?

Learned Hand, I second that - I would major in philosophy, econ, perhaps minor in history or polisci, and take a legal writing course. Since I'm not in law school, this is what I plan to do; I may focus more on politics than philosophy, however.

Job Search / Does age limit law career options?
« on: February 20, 2006, 12:10:57 PM »
Is anyone aware of any limiting conditions imposed on older-than normal law school graduates because of their age? For example, if one graduates from law school at age 29, do you know if one's age would in any way limit one's professional options (i.e. private practice, professorship, clerkship, public interest law)?

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