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Socratic Method / Re: Do u get called on once or more than once???
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:57:07 PM »
Ignore him the second time aroun'

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General Board / Re: What can you do to push and motivate yourself?
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:51:41 PM »
I've heard about a lawyer who fell into a 4 month binge with cocaine after which he had an eye opener. One day he felt a little hole on the inside of his nostril against the septum. It seemed like a layer of skin had deteriorated. He didn't feel it was a deep hole, but more like a skin had deteriorated and left the cartilidge bare. This was enough of a scare for him to completely stop his use of coke. Now, was there a skin that would grow over the hole or was it bare cartlidge naturally there and he caused damage directly to his septum's cartlidge? LOL

He was like that if skin would grow back, he would have been lucky and needed to use this as an opportunity to straighten his act. He knew cartlidge did not grow back, but was there a skin that grows back over? I didn't believe that he caused damage to the cartlidge itself. LOL

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General Board / ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY, SOCIOPATHY, AND PSYCHOPATHY
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:41:36 PM »
"When I'm good, I'm very good. When I'm bad, I'm better." (Mae West)

People who cannot contain their urges to harm (or kill) people repeatedly for no apparent reason are assumed to suffer from some mental illness. However, they may be more cruel than crazy, they may be choosing not to control their urges, they know right from wrong, they know exactly what they're doing, and they are definitely NOT insane, at least according to the consensus of most scholars. In such cases, they usually fall into 1 of 3 types that are typically considered aggravating circumstances in addition to their legal guilt -- antisocial personality disorder (APD), sociopath, or psychopath -- none of which are the same as insanity or psychosis. APD is the most common type, afflicting about 4% of the general population. Sociopaths are the second most common type, with the APA estimating that 3% of all males in our society are sociopaths. Psychopaths are rare, found in perhaps 1% of the population.

Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) is practically synonymous with criminal behavior. It's so synonymous, in fact, that practically all convicted criminals (65-75%) have it, with criminologists often referring to it as a "wastebasket" category.  Antisocials come is all shapes and sizes, but psychologists consider the juvenile version of it to be a juvenile conduct disorder. The main characteristic of it is a complete and utter disregard for the rights of others and the rules of society. They seldom show anxiety and don't feel guilt. There's really no effective treatment for them other than locking them up in a secure facility with such rigid rules that they cannot talk their way out. A full list of APD traits would include:

Sense of entitlement;
Unremorseful;
Apathetic to others;
Unconscionable behavior;
Blameful of others;
Manipulative and conning;
Affectively cold;
Disparate understanding;
Socially irresponsible;
Disregardful of obligations;
Nonconforming to norms;
Irresponsible

whereas the DSM-IV "clinical" features of Antisocial Personality Disorder (with a person having at least 3 of these characteristics) are:

Clinical Symptoms for an Antisocial Personality Disorder Diagnosis
 
1. Failure to conform to social norms;
2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness;
3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability, aggressiveness;
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility;
7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person

Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad. The term "sociopath" is frequently used by psychologists and sociologists alike in referring to persons whose unsocialized character is due primarily to parental failures (usually fatherlessness) rather than an inherent feature of temperament. Lykken (1995), for example, clearly distinguishes between the sociopath (who is socialized into becoming a psychopath) and a "true" psychopath (who is born that way). However, this may only describe the "common sociopath", as there are at least 4 different subtypes -- common, alienated, aggressive, and dyssocial. Commons are characterized mostly by their lack of conscience; the alienated by their inability to love or be loved; aggressives by a consistent sadistic streak; and dyssocials by an ability to abide by gang rules, as long as those rules are the wrong rules. Some common sociopathic traits include:

Egocentricity;
Callousness;
Impulsivity;
Conscience defect;
Exaggerated sexuality;
Excessive boasting;
Risk taking;
Inability to resist temptation;
Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex;
Lack of interest in bonding with a mate

Psychopathy is a concept subject to much debate, but is usually defined as a constellation of affective, interpersonal, and behavioral characteristics including \

egocentricity;
impulsivity;
irresponsibility;
shallow emotions;
lack of empathy, guilt, or remorse;
pathological lying;
manipulativeness;
and the persistent violation of social norms and expectations

The crimes of psychopaths are usually stone-cold, remorseless killings for no apparent reason. They cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. In many ways, they are natural-born intraspecies predators who satisfy their lust for power and control by charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence. While almost all societies would regard them as criminals (the exception being frontier or warlike societies where they might become heroes, patriots, or leaders), it's important to distinguish their behavior from criminal behavior. As a common axiom goes in psychology, MOST PSYCHOPATHS ARE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITIES BUT NOT ALL ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITIES ARE PSYCHOPATHS. This is because APD is defined mainly by behaviors (Factor 2 antisocial behaviors) and doesn't tap the affective/interpersonal dimensions (Factor 1 core psychopathic features, narcissism) of psychopathy. Further, criminals and APDs tend to "age out" of crime; psychopaths do not, and are at high risk of recidivism. Psychopaths love to intellectualize in treatment with their half-baked understanding of rules. Like the Star Trek character, Spock, their reasoning cannot handle any mix of cognition and emotion. They are calculating predators who, when trapped, will attempt escape, create a nuisance and danger to staff, be a disruptive influence on other patients or inmates, and fake symptoms to get transferred, bouncing back and forth between institutions. The common features of psychopathic traits are:

Glib and superficial charm;
Grandiose sense of self-worth;
Need for stimulation;
Pathological lying;
Conning and manipulativeness;
Lack of remorse or guilt;
Shallow affect;
Callousness and lack of empathy;
Parasitic lifestyle;
Poor behavioral controls;
Promiscuous sexual behavior;
Early behavior problems;
Lack of realistic, long-term goals;
Impulsivity;
Irresponsibility;
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions;
Many short-term marital relationships;
Juvenile delinquency;
Revocation of conditional release;
Criminal versatility

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General Board / Re: Law school admission with criminal record
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:26:18 PM »
If it'll ever be expunged, you may give  law school a shot. Otherwise, I don't know what to say ...

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Socratic Method / Re: Legal Reasoning
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:24:30 PM »
Very interesting thread, tagging it.

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General Board / Re: I'm getting hard.
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:18:11 PM »
Now that I've got your attention...

I came into law school thinking I was a pretty laid-back, cool dude. I'm pretty sure that's changing. My easy going disposition is gradually hardening into one of snappish petulance, my smile turning into a scornful sneer, my bouncy step morphing into a curmudgeonly trudge. I'm a regular scoffer now. Constantly scoffing.

I fear that by the time this is over, assuming I'm not tossed in the klink for wringing some punks neck after descending into a spiral-eyed rage, I will have become a bona fide a-hole of the highest order. Which is something I vowed I would never let happen. Or maybe I'm just trying to kill time right now. 

Does anyone else fear for their once approachable nature?

I do feel for you. I mean, you see these nice and beautiful and good-looking boys and girls coming to law school for the first time and then, after a year or so, when you look at them, they are transformed, changed, devoid of their charm and vitality, stagnant, miserable, and neglected. True, the majority of law students have the above-mentioned traits before they actually go to law school, but the others who don't really lose a lot in the process. I suppose, one way to put it is to say that law school is for ugly, conservative people, in essence, for people who have no life. 

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General Board / Re: What was the hardest thing about your 1L?
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:09:42 PM »

In the real world, say in a big law firm, the atmosphere is not like that. It's the law school that is the most challenging time period of lawyers' life.

HA, this is truly beautiful!

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General Board / Re: Do you hate law?
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:05:43 PM »
I can agree with you here, lwr! In fact, one may even assert that some people want to become lawyers to be able to, as the saying goes, do the crime but not the time :)

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General Board / Re: Lockers
« on: September 30, 2005, 03:00:51 PM »
A gal and a guy have mirrors in their lockers. When they noticed that I saw them interacting with their mirrors (on separate occassions), they became kinda shy. Whenever they see me now they are very nice to me and they greet me very cordially. LOL ;)

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mp, if you are not taking Legal Writing & Research class you can work, no problem. But if you are taking it, you already have a full-time job on top of law school classes.

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