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Current Law Students / Re: Studying Time and how to spend it
« on: September 23, 2005, 11:26:16 AM »
Oh I totally agree with LawDaddy. People chose to attend law schools for different reasons. I actually know a really intelligent woman who has to attend a T3 because (1) She's a single mom so she has to attend in a part-time program and (2) she shares custody of her son so she has to stay in California. She got an offer from Cornell but had to turn them down--- she just can't move to New York.

Current Law Students / Evidence supplement?
« on: September 23, 2005, 11:18:00 AM »
Okay, after yesterday's torturous session of Evidence, it is apparent that I need some sort of supplement. The professor is awful (she's super nice but that isn't helping me learn the material especially when she talks around all of the concepts) and the caseboook is even worse. I spent two hours in class on Thursday totally confused about prior inconsistent statements and impeaching a witness. I get the feeling that Evidence isn't superhard. It just doesn't help when the professor muddies the waters.

Suggestions anyone?

Current Law Students / Re: Today in Contracts
« on: September 02, 2005, 07:58:13 AM »
Wow. My contracts prof was pretty horrible but certainly not to that extent. I guess it's a lesson to be learned: don't come to class unprepared and if you do, have a really, really good excuse.

Current Law Students / Re: internet surfing during lectures
« on: August 26, 2005, 12:08:47 PM »
Yeah, we had a couple of students also who everyone assumed flunked out--- they'd actually transferred.

For some reason this year all of my courses are not rooms that are not equipped for wireless. It's so annoying because I have one professor who is sooooooo boring. It's all I can do to stay awake for the full two hours. If only I had the internet!

Current Law Students / Re: please advice on study technique
« on: August 26, 2005, 11:46:16 AM »
Hi, Nate. Statutory classes do seem to be more difficult in terms of notetaking...afterall, what you are doing is memorizing a bunch of rules. Civil Procedure was my favorite, by the way (in addition to Contracts).

In terms of notetaking for civil procedure, first find out what your professor wants. Some professors don't care if you memorize the rule word for word or even the number, but want you to know the substance of the rule and how it is applied. Other professors want you to quote the rule word for word (my prop I prof was like this). This will help you in terms of notes. For example, if your professor is more interested in your understanding the substance of the rule and its application, then you would take notes accordingly. In this case you might not spend time actually copying the rule into your casebriefs (though you should for your outline) but would spend time taking notes on what the rule means substantively, how it fits in with the other rules, etc. (Don't be afraid to consult supplements --- just be sure that the information from the supplement and from your professor are consistent)

Civil procedure does take some getting used to. I had a really great professor who would give short lectures on each subject before we dived right in. We started with jurisdiction, and he explained briefly what jurisdiction means, why we care about it, etc. Then we went on personal jurisdiction in detail, then subject matter in detail and so on. But we had the luxury of actually having *some* understanding of what was going on.

I suggest that you check out Understanding Civil Procedure. Try to see if your library has it so that you don't have to purchase it. It's a great book for background information.

I'm also a part-time student! Good luck in your first year!

Current Law Students / Re: please advice on study technique
« on: August 26, 2005, 09:04:58 AM »
Hmm. These questions are always difficult because everyone has their individual method for studying. I can only share my experience:

1. Generally, I get all of my reading done for the week, brief cases and take reading notes. The setup will usually look like this: reading notes on the subject in general (for example, for duty in torts I might have notes on the definition of duty, etc...whatever is in the casebook). Underneath that, I have my class briefs for that particular section.

2. In class, I rarely take notes but when I do, I add the notes to my reading notes section in a different color ( it is much easier to do this on a laptop).

3. After the end of each section (try to refer to syllabus to get a general outline of the course), I outline the section using a combination of my reading and class notes. I may use the case brief as an example but usually I do not.

4. About a month before final exams, I make sure that my outlines are current (sometimes I get behind), start making flashcards and start looking at practice exams.

I really would not worry about practice exams this early on in the game. You'll only confuse yourself. At this point, concentrate more on making sure that you understand the material, the rules, etc.

Job Search / Externship in District Attorney's Office
« on: August 25, 2005, 06:42:34 PM »
Has anyone ever externed for the district attorney's office? Please share your experiences?


Current Law Students / Re: Starting law school today (University of KY)
« on: August 25, 2005, 05:32:30 PM »
Believe it or not, but you actually learn and memorize the material through the creation of the outline itself. By outlining (and I suggest that you do your own and not simply use someone else's), you organize the material and see how the pieces fit together. The outline is only a tool that facilitates learning. Some people don't outline at all and do great. Others outline but in a really funky way that would look like a jumbled mess to anyone but them.

My outline for real property was almost 50 pages which is insane and what I would consider far too long (on average, my outlines are about 20-25 pages). The professor covered a ton of material during that semester which I would have never gotten a handle on unless I'd had it all organized in an outline.

But as everyone in this forum says, whatever works for you works for you. Since you've just started law school, you won't figure out what works for you anytime soon. I would suggest seriously consider study methods from seasoned law students and find which one works for you. Don't knock anything until you're sure it isn't necessary for you.

Current Law Students / Re: are your classmates snobby a**holes?
« on: August 25, 2005, 05:05:33 PM »
Don't believe everything anyone tells you. There was one guy during my first year who always had an answer for everything and was "never worried about an exam." He's not at the top of his class either.

Don't let it phase you.

Current Law Students / Re: Am I studying enough?
« on: August 24, 2005, 03:46:29 PM »
I'm really confused as to why you're bothering to even copy the legal lines briefs at all instead of simply bringing them to class. It sounds as if you're briefing simply for the sake of briefing. It's really difficult to gauge whether you are utilizing an effective study method. Some people don't have to study very hard and do well in law school. You might be one of those people.

But let me say one thing about briefing: I discovered early on that I don't brief for class. A lot of people spend enormous amounts of time briefing (particularly in their first year) because they want to be prepared in case they get "called on." I, too, was among them and soon discovered that I absorbed/learned nothing. I now brief for me--- my briefs are organized and arranged in a way that will help me learn and make sense of the material. I don't write down the issues, procedural posture or any of that other stuff unless it's necessary for me to understand what is going on in the case and ultimately, the law. With that said, you need to employ whatever method will help you to understand the law and test well in your particular professor's class. If what you're doing will help to do those things, rock on.

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