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Transferring / Re: TJSL v. USD
« on: September 26, 2009, 05:10:31 PM »
Can you sell yourself in a job interview.

If YES, stay at TJ.  If NO, buy your alumni contacts at USD.

This is an incorrect approach to take and will lead to homelessness.

this is true - as it assumes the obtainment of the job interview in the first place, which is a fallacy

transfer now, or prepare for a career of posting here:

http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/

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General Board / Re: NOT going to class
« on: September 15, 2009, 08:31:51 AM »
can you still pass all of your classes during ur first year even if u dont go to them?
I find most of my classes very disorganized and unhelpful. It seems like we are constantly
just talking about random hypotheticals that doesnt really relate to what we learn from the book.

To put it briefly, I dont think i am getting ANYTHING out of my classes and even some things I do get, I seem to forget very quickly (or could have learned the same thing by reading casebook myself)
So, is it possible to pass your final exams without going to class?
Has anyone done this as 1L? Any input would be appreciated.

My highest grade in law school (A+) came in a class that I went to literally ~10% of the time.

There is, however, a caveat: I had taken two classes with the prof before. Maybe this helped me better understand what he was looking for, etc. come exam time?


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Patents, patents, & more patents
« on: July 14, 2009, 06:29:46 PM »
EE, without question.

MS not necessary

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Transferring / Re: WUSL v. GWU
« on: July 13, 2009, 10:24:27 PM »
that's cool.  The NLJ 250 doesn't excite me like an IKEA catalog, since I'm not really a firm type of legal-wannabe.

I think Wash U. is getting better, but GWU is calling me like the testicular cancer support group.

his name is ...

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Transferring / Re: WUSL v. GWU
« on: July 13, 2009, 10:09:50 PM »
what state do you go to school in, soapmaker?

;)

1st yr biglaw associate in NYC

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Transferring / Re: WUSL v. GWU
« on: July 13, 2009, 09:51:04 PM »
I know WUSTL has better job prospects

not true:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61206

WUSTL isn't even on the list (both '07 and '08). Additionally, GW is generally more selective and employers are well aware of this.

note: 1) GW admit #ers: 167 / 3.75; WUSTL: 167 / 3.60

http://www.princetonreview.com/WashingtonUniversitySchoolofLaw.aspx
http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/law/LawBasics.aspx?iid=1035863

Given that DC is a preferred destination (and that GW is 10k cheaper), this should be a no-brainer.

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 12, 2009, 01:37:39 AM »
Durden once again speaks the truth.

If these market rates are based on cost of living for their respective cities, then one of 2 things needs to happen - other markets need to be starting much lower than New York since their cost of living is, accordingly, lower than New York

or

Keep everybody where they are and move the New York associates much higher.

Or..or..or...

NYC Associates learn to live a happier life with $65k take-home pay.

/hating

such a hater


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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 10, 2009, 05:39:30 PM »
Which, sad to say, is a joke in NY.  Honestly if the going market rate for associates in other cities is in the $120k to $145k range, then New York needs to be at about $190k.  Associates in other markets, even making less money, are still taking home more money than are associates in New York.

Call me a waaaaaaaambulance!

Yer makin' $160k, you don't need another $30k to do the same amount of work. I WISH my firm was gonna start me off at $160, 145, hell, even $120 would be great for a single man like myself with no kids, no mortgage and just student loans.

Liveable studio apts in the city run from 2100-3100; again, splitting the difference you have $2600x12 = ~31k, which leaves you with 65k in take home for the year.

Thatís just insane, and Iím a slumlord. I have two houses (not renatals one in CO and one in AZ) and combined my mortgages are not that high. How can anyone ever afford to buy there?


they don't, esp at $1300 sq. ft.

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 10, 2009, 04:25:16 PM »
Which, sad to say, is a joke in NY.  Honestly if the going market rate for associates in other cities is in the $120k to $145k range, then New York needs to be at about $190k.  Associates in other markets, even making less money, are still taking home more money than are associates in New York.

Call me a waaaaaaaambulance!

Yer makin' $160k, you don't need another $30k to do the same amount of work. I WISH my firm was gonna start me off at $160, 145, hell, even $120 would be great for a single man like myself with no kids, no mortgage and just student loans.

I don't know. Think of it this way: in NYC on the 160k base you're going to pay out 39-41% of your outcome in taxes depending upon how good your accountant is. So, splitting the difference, at 160k you're giving ~64k back to the fed, state, and city govs. That leaves you with ~96k. Liveable studio apts in the city run from 2100-3100; again, splitting the difference you have $2600x12 = ~31k, which leaves you with 65k in take home for the year. Don't get me wrong - this is a decent post tax / rent figure, but compared to other markets @ 160 (DC, TX, CA, IL), NYC associates are at the bottom of the pile in terms of their post tax / rent take home. Of course, this was a "legitimate" complaint when I was a SA in '07 and I remember more than one lunch where a partner was asked if / when we were going to 190 but time has a way of, well, rendering things ... moot. NY (back) to 145! ;)


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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 09, 2009, 06:55:26 PM »
As far as appellate practice goes, I'm a 1L summering at a firm (not in a market as big as NYC though) where they have stuck me with the appellate people.  What Burning Sands described is about how it is here.  There is one partner who handles all of the appellate stuff and there are like 2-3 senior associates that are his go to guys.  They also pass stuff to junior associates in the litigation department to help out on sometimes, but that is rather rare except on pro bono matters.  One thing they do give out more freely is the pro bono stuff.  Junior associates love it because they get a lot of control over it (and hence a lot of practical experience running an appellate case).   

On a side note, I love appellate work.  It is very intellectual and it feels a lot like what you do in law school.  It seems very hard to get a lot of it though.  Both the partner + the senior associates doing the appellate stuff here are former SCOTUS / COA clerks. 

yeah, sands is right. we have one appellate level "go to guy" who also happens to have the rep of being (hands down) the sharpest guy in the firm (#1 in his class from HYS + yrs and yrs of extensive / impressive appellate ad exp, etc. etc.). i don't know what it takes to break into such a group, but i'm guessing that i don't have it ;). as such, i guess that i'll just have to review my docs and manage my K attnys. 

quick side note: most associates i know generally try to avoid working for the aforementioned sort of hyper achievers like the plague. i'll leave it up to you to figure out the how / why on that one.

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