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Current Law Students / Where can I find more torts mult choice questions?
« on: December 06, 2006, 08:25:21 AM »
I bought Siegals, at the suggestion of students that had this prof last year.  This has been helpful, but there are only 91 multiple choice questions and half of them aren't very useful since they test second semester concepts.  Anybody know of any other source of multiple choice questions?  Yes, I've checked google.


Law School Admissions / Business attire - suit or jacket and tie?
« on: February 21, 2006, 12:16:32 PM »
I know this is stupid but . . .

In my office, every day is business casual unless you're going to court or meeting with an important client.  So, I'm unsure what business attire is.  Suffolk is having an "accepted students" mixer and the invitation said "Business attire."  I'm leaning toward jacket and tie . . .

Not that I read that paper (since they spread my credit card info all over the Commonwealth) but I was lucky enough to go to court yesterday (very cool experience) and I heard two attorneys discussion this story and its implications.

Fewer looking toward law school
Applications down 10% from last year
By Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff  |  February 9, 2006

Fewer people have applied to law schools around the nation this year, sparking debate about what could be steering people away from the profession.

Because of the improving economy, prospective lawyers may be choosing to head into the work world first, say law school officials and others. Other factors cited include the increasing competitiveness of law school admissions, which could be scaring away applicants, the rising price of attending law school, or a perception that the legal profession may no longer be in vogue.

The number of people who applied to law school by Feb. 3 was 60,397, down 10 percent compared with last year, according to preliminary data from the Law School Admission Council. Although many law schools will continue accepting applications for another month, schools had received three-quarters of their applications by this time last year.

Among Boston-area schools, some are seeing a drop in the number of applicants, while others, including Harvard Law School and Boston University School of Law, are not. It is hard to spot the trend by school because students have been applying to a larger number of schools, admissions specialists say. Boston College Law School declined to provide figures.

Northeastern and Suffolk law schools report having fewer applicants compared with this time last year. Northeastern has received about 125 fewer applications, a 5 percent drop, on the heels of a 4 percent decline in applications the previous year. At Suffolk, applications are down 2 to 3 percent.

Suffolk and Northeastern said their biggest drop was in applicants with lower LSAT scores, so they are optimistic they can maintain the quality of their entering classes this fall. But bigger declines would force them to make some tough decisions, including considering whether to admit smaller classes or accept students with lower scores, they said.

''I will be worried if next year we have another big drop," said MJ Knoll-Finn, director of admissions at Northeastern Law. ''Every law school will be having these conversations in the next few years if the numbers are still going down."

The most likely explanation for this year's drop nationally, according to law school officials, is the relatively good economy. In January, the US jobless rate fell to 4.7 percent, a four-year low, according to the Labor Department.

When the national economy was ailing, law school applications jumped a whopping 18 percent for the class starting in 2002, and 10 percent for the next year's class.

''If people have good paying jobs and feel secure, they'll probably stay put" in their jobs, said Gail N. Ellis, dean of admissions at Suffolk Law. ''But if they are witnessing layoffs and consolations, people get very nervous and start looking to graduate school for advanced degrees."

But if the economy is the only factor, some caution, applications shouldn't be dropping quite so dramatically.

''The economy is funny, it's not booming like the 1990s, but it's not in recession like it was in 2001, either," said Peter Ubertaccio, an assistant professor of political science at Stonehill College and a pre-law adviser. ''It's a puzzle."

Ubertaccio wonders whether the applications boom a few years ago might have set the stage for its own bust, by scaring away students who saw how difficult it was for their friends to get in. He recalled a top student who graduated in 2004 with stellar LSAT scores and a long resume of volunteer work, and was put on the waiting list at Harvard.

''I've had a few come in and say 'Is this right for me now? Should I wait?' " he said.

Boston Bar Association president Ned Leibensperger has a daughter who recently finished law school and a 25-year-old son whose friends have applied or thought about it. He believes the real issue is the rising cost of law school.

Private law school tuition in the United States jumped 130 percent between 1990 and 2004, to an average of $27,000, according to the American Bar Association.

''My daughter and her friends are very concerned about law school debt," said Leibensperger, a partner at McDermott Will & Emery. ''My strong impression is that there's an intimidation factor, that it's hard to accept $100,000 worth of debt to go to law school."

Business schools appear to be experiencing the same cycle, but to opposite effect. As the economy improves, people begin to think an MBA might help them leverage the stock market or get ahead in consulting. Anecdotal evidence suggests applications are up nationally, according to a spokesman for the Graduate Management Admission Council, but no data is available yet.

Applications at BU School of Management are up 103 percent over this time last year, with about 700 received so far.

Business schools may actually be working to steal students away from law schools, said Sanford Kreisberg, an admissions consultant for prospective graduate students. He pointed out that Harvard Business School started a new program several years ago to encourage more applications from students straight out of college, a departure from the longstanding norm that applicants needed several years in the workforce.

''They figured out they were losing talented kids to law school," Kreisberg said.

Kreisberg also has another theory about the dip in law school applicants: The legal profession is no longer so attractive. He said the Supreme Court has been demystified, and public service is not appealing to liberal students during the Bush administration.

But no need to panic. ''The republic is not suffering from a shortage of lawyers," he said.

Marcella Bombardieri can be reached at

Financial Aid / Well my living expenses are set for the next 3 years
« on: February 03, 2006, 01:39:53 PM »
I just got approved for a $75,000 interest only Home Equity line of credit at prime minus a half.  Kinda scarey, knowing that that line will be maxed out in 3 years and that will represent only half of my debt (if I'm lucky).  But anyway, its nice having that matter settled.  Good luck to the rest of you with your private loans - seems like we're never finished with this process, huh?

I've seen some posts here about the best rejection letters and the worst rejection letters, but it just occured to me that I haven't really read any of my rejection letters.  Or if I have, I've merely skimmed and then immediately forgotten. 

Who cares what they say?  It's a form letter anyway, so it really doesn't matter.  Each time I told my father about a rejcetion, he'd say, "What did they say?"  Are you serious dad?  Its a form letter. 

I've pretty much decided on Suffolk anyway (easy to do when they're the only school that'll take me) but I'm going to the open house tomorrow night to see what there is to see.  Anybody else going?

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Northeastern Ding
« on: January 14, 2006, 08:36:36 AM »
Word has it that Northeastern sent out all its EA decisions yesterday.  Sure enough, I got a thin white envelope today (I'm local).  They're not interested in me and I'm not surprised.  Good luck to everybody else.

Law School Admissions / Anybody hear from Northeastern recently?
« on: January 13, 2006, 08:43:09 AM »
Anybody hear from Northeastern in the past few days?  According to LSN, they sent out a few acceptances right around Christmas.  They say the send out all EA decisions by January 15, but in a chat, they indicated that decisions would be sent from Christmas on through the 15th.  Strange that they'd send out a few, then nothing for 3 weeks. 

Financial Aid / Anybody know about Home Equity Lines?
« on: December 27, 2005, 01:35:35 PM »
I'm planning on financing a good deal of living expenses and tuition with a through my home equity.  I realize most people on these boards are students who don't own houses, but I'm wondering if anybody out there works for a mortgage broker or bank and knows how these things work.  It seems to make sense since the rates are significantly lower than private loans. 

So if I need an extra 20K or 30K per year for the next 3 years, what's the best way to do it?  I'm guessing an equity line, because then I can just request another 10 grand whenever I need it. 

Are there any equity loans that let you pay interest only, or defer payment altogether?  It doesn't make much sense for me to be borrowing money to make payments on the money I'm borrowing, right? 

Law School Admissions / Job Prospects from New England
« on: December 21, 2005, 07:01:10 AM »
I applied to New England PT, hoping it would be a safety.  When I got accepted to Suffolk, I began to think that maybe New England would offer me some money, so I though about asking New England to consider me for their FT program as well.  Then I looked at their website some more and read about career opportunities.

Here is what it says on New England's website about the prospects of getting a job.  Not exactly confidence inspiring, but at least they're being honest. 

Boston is a center of legal education and professional activity. It is home to law firms with hundreds of partners and to small boutique firms with specialized practices. As the state capital and regional center, it houses offices of local and state government, as well as federal agencies, providing a ready link to the public sector. A city with a strong financial services industry, it is an ideal location for students who are interested in working in regulatory, compliance, or contract-management positions, and New England School of Law graduates began entering business and quasi-legal positions long before this became a trend.

Because of the large number of law schools in Boston and the region, however, the local legal employment market is very competitive. Students must remain open to various job possibilities and are urged to consider opportunities outside the Boston area. Career planning and placement are the individual responsibility of each student and alumnus/alumna. The Career Services Office supports this effort by providing guidance and assistance to both current students and graduates as they negotiate that process.

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