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Current Law Students / LEEWS CD issues
« on: August 11, 2005, 11:15:25 AM »
CD Disc #3 and #6 don't play in my laptop. Did anyone else have this problem? I called Wentworth himself and he said that my laptop probably had [insert weird term here] and it triggered the write protection. I don't know about that. All the other discs but those worked. HE said only a few discs had the copy protection. I was told to just try cleaning to disks and see if they worked, if not to just play them in a regular cd player.

I Was really wanting to play this on my laptop and not having to wag around a cd player. I did notice that on the cd's that did work, it let you download the tracks to your media library to play from there using windows media player. I tested the cd's after it downloaded and they worked its great not having to insert the cd's. I'm just missing disc 3/6.

No one else has experience issues with getting some cd's to play right out of the box? Thanks

Current Law Students / Hornbook Suggestions?
« on: July 11, 2005, 05:55:29 PM »
Anyone have suggestions as to which Hornbooks are the most helpful for certain courses or will this vary depending upon your casebook?

Criminal Law?
Civ Pro?

Any help would be appreciated

Current Law Students / What's Your 1L Curriculum?
« on: July 11, 2005, 05:26:05 PM »
I didn't see a topic floating around like this (maybe because its lame, but here goes...)

What school are you going/went to and what was your first year required? I think it will be neat to see the variations across the country. I know ABA has certain standards but from what I have seen it fluctuates in structure/hours etc...


Mississippi College

Semester 1:
Torts I - 3
Property I - 3
Contracts I - 3
Criminal Law - 3
Civil Procedure - 3
Legal Analysis - 1
Total - 16 hrs

Semester 2:
Property II - 3
Contracts II - 3
Civil Procedure II - 3
Legal Research and Writing - 3
Torts II - 2
Total - 14 hrs

Required after 1L - Con Law, Ethics, Appellate Advocacy

Thats 6 hours of Contracts, Property, Civ Pro and 5 of torts. I've noticed some schools only give 4-5 to those each. Also anyone out there have Con law or Crim Procedure first year?  :D

Hello All.

I have all the basic E&E for my schools 1L classes.

I was wondering if anyone has any advice as to which BLL outline would work the best with these as a supplement: ONLY to help me get defitions and to create flowcharts and to help with my outline.

Also--any must have Hornbooks? I have Chirelstein's contracts seems thin and concise...

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Studying for the LSAT / Advice for you LSAT Studying Folks...
« on: July 10, 2005, 09:48:45 AM »
Allow me to shed a little light on the subject having taken the LSAT twice. Having been in and played the system--below are my findings. I will explain what I did and did not do during my LSAT prep in an effort to guide your LSAT preparation.

Background on myself:
Finance Major @ small private school in TN. Cumulative UGPA 3.7, GPA in Major 3.9. Graduated May 2004.
Graduated top 10% in my college, top 2 in my class. Beta Gamma Sigma business honor society blah blah blah...

Things I wish I had done:
Minor'd in philosophy/english or something to advance/hone reading and reasoning skills. I truly believe it would have helped more on the LSAT. But then again major doesn't matter....but I know for a fact a few courses in LOGIC would have.


Things to avoid:
1) Kaplan
2) Princeton Review
3) Any other company that doesn't use real questions.

Things to focus on:
1) using real LSAT tests
2) timing yourself with these tests (taking FULL tests at a time...)
3) Buy the Logic Games Bible and any other "bible" that Powerscore offers. When I took the LSAT only the Logic Games Bible was developed.

Things to know:
1) you can use a silent timer during your test- powerscore has one...probably EBAY too.
2) unless you practice with real LSATS and LSAT questions you will be surprised when reading your test questions if you prepared using those LSAT 2004/2005/2006 books or "LSAT 180" books. Trust me..there is a difference in the real tests.
3) your actual LSAT score will be less than what you are making now on your prep tests....just a fact of life (nerves anyone?)
4) some tests can be easier than others during the same administration (IE. someone else sitting 2 feet from you may have a test that is easier in that they aren't totally mind warped by a killer "fake" section. You may get a hard section and it may "psych" you out etc...)
5) some tests seem to be easier than others during the different administrations (IE. the oct 2003 lsat was probably easier than the dec 2003 lsat.)
6) most people take the October LSAT (what does this mean? It means you are compared agaisnt a larger test pool when you take it then). I would focus on June if I could do it over again.
7) the LSAT is evolving. The wording of some questions as well as its general system are slowly changing and it may end up on the computer. All that to say that I noticed a difference between some logical reasoning wording on my oct 2003 lsat v. my dec 2003 lsat.

What I did to study:

Basically I was like everyone else and bought the Kaplan books it through, did the practice tests and problems in the book and was scoring decent. I would takle sections at a time, NOT TESTS at a time and I know that hurt me in the timing department.

I bought a few REAL LSATS from LSAC and worked those, again not timed--my biggest mistake. I guess one reason that I didn't time full tests is because I didn't want to know how bad I was doing/was going to do. I did time each section though.

I bought the powerscore logic games bible and worked through it. It is great because it gives you real games that LSAC put on their LSAT and gives you reference to real tests etc....

I then took the Power Score course...not the full length...just the single day program. I do not recommend those program unless you just like to sit in class and spend money. The instruction was decent but nothing spectacular that wasn't already in their Logic Games Bible. So in other words it was just a course to hold your hand and walk you through the bible.

I scored in the low 150's on both LSAT tests. Not because I didn't understand per say--but because I could not finish the sections in time and had to resort to guessing on the last questions of the sections. Checking my report pdf on LSAC after my test became available I saw that the questions I DID have time to do (early to mid of the section) I answered correctly for the most part--it was the last questions of the sections that owned me. I have a history of not finishing standardized tests (SAT, ACT both scored average but I kicked ass in college anyways)...So a warning to all of those out there that are stubborn (like me) and don't like to move on, your best bet is to guess and come back to it later if you have time. Don't get scared if you don't know a few questions, elminate what you can and make a good guess. Don't think about anything BUT THE QUESTION you are reading and don't let your mind wander and think about anything else. FOCUS is key along with speed.

If you are like me and get nervous on tests like these (the ones that determine your future) then I suggest heavy practice on real tests---forget all the kaplan and crap. Buy as many CURRENT REAL LSATS as you can and time yourself after working through the Powerscore Bible Series. The bible series explains all the strategies and reasoning that you need to know. The LSAT is more of a speed + accuracy test than it is "hard" content wise. The logic games can stump you but that is just the way it goes.

And in closing I'd like to recommend visiting your testing center BEFORE YOU REGISTER FOR IT. My first test center was Vanderbilt Law School---totally awesome. We had PLENTY of space and were at long tables that spanned across the whole room. Not those crappy flip down arm desks. My second test was at TN State. We were packed in like sardines, it was about 400 degrees. It got so bad that people were literally shedding their clothes. I had to strip down to my undershirt. I am left handed and was forced to sit crammed up against a wall. And the worst was we were in the typical no room pull arm desks typical to all huge auditorium class rooms. It was damn hard keeping the test book, answer sheet, timer, and all of that together. I ended up having to keep half my stuff in my LAP!! The overwhelming heat was miserable and it totally destroyed my focus--but enough excuses....

Goodluck to anyone out there who is preparing for the LSAT. You can PM me with any questions if you want to.

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