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Current Law Students / Decided to quit LS.
« on: January 23, 2007, 07:44:02 AM »
I finally got my grades back, and they seem to land me around the 35th percentile of a 4th tier.  I made the decision a while ago that I would quit if not in the top 20% because the chances of advancing my finances (over and above my current career) would be slim.  My entrance statistics of having a 161 and 158 on the LSAT and a 3.0 in an engineering undergrad curriculum boosted my confidence that I would do well.  It seems, however, that my talents don't include taking timed essay tests. 

I did best (B+) in legal writing which is graded on multiple choice tests and long-term written assignments.  I did worst in CivPro (C+), in which the professor writes analytically easy exams, but obsesses over how accurately you state obvious facts.  Got a B in Contracts and a B- in Torts.  I felt I knew all the material very well.  At the end of the day, it's what you get on the paper that counts.

I'm a part time student with an established career, so this definitely isn't the end of the world, but it's a little depressing none the less.  The worst part is that my plan for the next 3.5 years vaporized, and I have to figure out what to do next. 

I'm thinking an executive MBA program is in my future. ;D

My school doesn't.  Grrr.  So, if I want to predicate my attendance on my performance first semester, I have to drop all classes, take a year-long leave of absence, and restart in Spring 08.  I'm curious how common this is throughout all the law schools.

How about indicating what tier or school you go to after voting.

Current Law Students / Do you answer the question asked on the exam?
« on: December 12, 2006, 06:21:01 AM »
I've taken two exams so far.  In both cases I've been more concerned with dumping everything I know onto the page instead of formulating my answers to conform to the 'call of the question.'  For example, my contracts test asked us to predict what kind of arguments the parties are likely to make.  I didn't phase my answer like, "so and so will make this argument, and alternately so and so will make that argument."  Hopefully it won't hurt me that much, but I was more worried about showing what I knew than crafting my answer to a particular format.

Current Law Students / contract legal research for night students
« on: December 05, 2006, 07:35:34 AM »
I was thinking of calling up some smaller firms this (my 1L) summer to see if they would be interested in contracting out some legal research to me.  Basically, they provide a westlaw password and an issue, and I provide them with a memo after a couple of days.  I'd probably work for free or cheap this summer just to get some experience without having to quit my day job.  Think this would work?

Current Law Students / What's your career plan?
« on: October 31, 2006, 12:58:20 PM »
At the end of the day, I want to be a partner in a 20 lawyer or less firm, or a solo practicioner.  Of course, I don't want to starve in the process.  For starters, I'll try to get into the largest firm that will take me to get the brand recognition, but I have not desire to fight to the top to become a partner at a 200 lawyer firm.  In a few years, I would like to scale down. 

My intelligence is genetically limited to the point where I will probably never be one of the top 50 lawyers in the state, and as a result I will probably never be a 'superlawyer' executive large firm partner type.  I've decided that it is more lucrative being in a position where you can be the best in your field, rather than just getting by in a "higher tier" field.  For example, I would make a damn good plumber.  I could probably be one of the top 10 plumbers in the state.  As a result, If I started my own plumbing company, I could probably become a millionaire working at a lower tiered blue collar occupation.  As a large-firm lawyer, I probably would be about average and be relegated to slaving away as an associate indefinitely.  I don't want to be a plumber, and it's too late in life now anyway to start over at $10/hr, so I'll go for being a lawyer.  As a small-firm attorney, I could probably be above average, and do quite well as a big fish in a small pond.

Current Law Students / Exam IRACing structure?
« on: October 27, 2006, 07:28:23 AM »
I've had a couple of practice exams lately and I seem to be getting overly hung up on how to structure my exam answer.  For example, a torts exam has 3 possible torts available to the victim in the fact pattern; IIED, battery, and false imprisonment.

Do you IRAC each tort and then do little iracs for each element within the overall tort irac?

Such as:

I = is there a battery?
R = battery is blah blah blah
    i = is there intent
    r = intent is xyz
    a = intent can be defined as xyz
        the policy argument for this definition is xyz
        the facts in our case match the definition by xyz
    c = intent is met

    i = is there causation
    r = causation is xyz
    a = causation is defined as xyz
        (not much of a policy argument for causation)
    c = causation is met

    irac for act

    irac for injury

C = therefore battery exists

   irac act
   irac injury
   irac causation
   irac intent

False Imprisonment:
   irac act
   irac injury
   irac causation
   irac intent

I'm at the point in the semester where we get our main legal writing assignment.  My outlines are not up to date.  My practice exams are written in a Hemingwayesque format, meaning that the professors seem to want to see every point, no matter how painfully obvious.

I have to make time for outlining, practice exams, and the legal paper.  I think the days of formal case breifing are numbered.  Aside from being the class superstar when called on, there is really no incentive to knowing cases front to back.  The professor will cover any relevant points or developments in class discussion. Hopefully book breifing and skimming before class will carry the day.

Current Law Students / Digital Voice Recorders?
« on: June 09, 2006, 05:52:29 PM »
I'm thinking of getting one of these to record meetings at work as well as classes at law school.  It would be handy to have all lectures on MP3 on my computer.  Does anyone do this?  Any recommendations on products?  Will I be an uber geek if I bust out my recorder in class?

Alrighty.  Seat deposits are due May 1st.  I am trying to decide once and for all if going to Widener part time is a wise financial decision.

My story:  I'm a civil engineer.  I stand to top out in my engineering field at about $85k, not adjusted for future inflation.  The sky is the limit if I am able to go out on my own in an entreprenurial venture and start my own engineering company someday.

My LSAT score is in the top 10% of those admitted to Widener.  So if you trust this as an academic indicator for LS success, I should do better than average compared to the other students at Widener.  I would be in the part time program, which is the only one in the region.  Therefore, I have no scholarship offers because they have the part time market wrapped up.  I have no option to go full time, or to move because of family obligations.

I don't have delusions of making a $100k starting salary.  However, I would hope to get to $150k (not adjusted for inflation) in about 10-15yrs.

My question is this...  Is Widener financially worth it to someone who could attain an mid-middle to upper-middle class lifestyle without a law degree?  Is it in the cards to get to that $150k goal?

I'm in my 1st semester now and people without full time jobs urk me to death.  They are the defacto superstars in class due in no small part to their 45 extra free hours per week.  I'm finding that I only have time to just get the assignments and reading done and cases breifed.  Outlining and synthesizing the law as I go is somewhat out of the question.  I'm thinking of taking a day off work every three weeks or so just to play catchup.

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