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General Board / Decided to quit LS.
« on: January 23, 2007, 09:44:02 AM »
I finally got my grades back, and they seem to land me around the 35th percentile of a 4th tier.  I made the decision a while ago that I would quit if not in the top 20% because the chances of advancing my finances (over and above my current career) would be slim.  My entrance statistics of having a 161 and 158 on the LSAT and a 3.0 in an engineering undergrad curriculum boosted my confidence that I would do well.  It seems, however, that my talents don't include taking timed essay tests. 

I did best (B+) in legal writing which is graded on multiple choice tests and long-term written assignments.  I did worst in CivPro (C+), in which the professor writes analytically easy exams, but obsesses over how accurately you state obvious facts.  Got a B in Contracts and a B- in Torts.  I felt I knew all the material very well.  At the end of the day, it's what you get on the paper that counts.

I'm a part time student with an established career, so this definitely isn't the end of the world, but it's a little depressing none the less.  The worst part is that my plan for the next 3.5 years vaporized, and I have to figure out what to do next. 

I'm thinking an executive MBA program is in my future. ;D

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My school doesn't.  Grrr.  So, if I want to predicate my attendance on my performance first semester, I have to drop all classes, take a year-long leave of absence, and restart in Spring 08.  I'm curious how common this is throughout all the law schools.

How about indicating what tier or school you go to after voting.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Do you answer the question asked on the exam?
« on: December 12, 2006, 08:21:01 AM »
I've taken two exams so far.  In both cases I've been more concerned with dumping everything I know onto the page instead of formulating my answers to conform to the 'call of the question.'  For example, my contracts test asked us to predict what kind of arguments the parties are likely to make.  I didn't phase my answer like, "so and so will make this argument, and alternately so and so will make that argument."  Hopefully it won't hurt me that much, but I was more worried about showing what I knew than crafting my answer to a particular format.

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General Board / contract legal research for night students
« on: December 05, 2006, 09:35:34 AM »
I was thinking of calling up some smaller firms this (my 1L) summer to see if they would be interested in contracting out some legal research to me.  Basically, they provide a westlaw password and an issue, and I provide them with a memo after a couple of days.  I'd probably work for free or cheap this summer just to get some experience without having to quit my day job.  Think this would work?

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General Board / What's your career plan?
« on: October 31, 2006, 02:58:20 PM »
At the end of the day, I want to be a partner in a 20 lawyer or less firm, or a solo practicioner.  Of course, I don't want to starve in the process.  For starters, I'll try to get into the largest firm that will take me to get the brand recognition, but I have not desire to fight to the top to become a partner at a 200 lawyer firm.  In a few years, I would like to scale down. 

My intelligence is genetically limited to the point where I will probably never be one of the top 50 lawyers in the state, and as a result I will probably never be a 'superlawyer' executive large firm partner type.  I've decided that it is more lucrative being in a position where you can be the best in your field, rather than just getting by in a "higher tier" field.  For example, I would make a damn good plumber.  I could probably be one of the top 10 plumbers in the state.  As a result, If I started my own plumbing company, I could probably become a millionaire working at a lower tiered blue collar occupation.  As a large-firm lawyer, I probably would be about average and be relegated to slaving away as an associate indefinitely.  I don't want to be a plumber, and it's too late in life now anyway to start over at $10/hr, so I'll go for being a lawyer.  As a small-firm attorney, I could probably be above average, and do quite well as a big fish in a small pond.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Exam IRACing structure?
« on: October 27, 2006, 09:28:23 AM »
I've had a couple of practice exams lately and I seem to be getting overly hung up on how to structure my exam answer.  For example, a torts exam has 3 possible torts available to the victim in the fact pattern; IIED, battery, and false imprisonment.

Do you IRAC each tort and then do little iracs for each element within the overall tort irac?

Such as:

Battery
I = is there a battery?
R = battery is blah blah blah
A
    i = is there intent
    r = intent is xyz
    a = intent can be defined as xyz
        the policy argument for this definition is xyz
        the facts in our case match the definition by xyz
    c = intent is met

    i = is there causation
    r = causation is xyz
    a = causation is defined as xyz
        (not much of a policy argument for causation)
    c = causation is met

    irac for act

    irac for injury

C = therefore battery exists

IIED:
I
R
A
   irac act
   irac injury
   irac causation
   irac intent
C

False Imprisonment:
I
R
A
   irac act
   irac injury
   irac causation
   irac intent
C

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General Board / Case breifs are the first to go when crunched for time.
« on: October 24, 2006, 09:11:28 AM »
I'm at the point in the semester where we get our main legal writing assignment.  My outlines are not up to date.  My practice exams are written in a Hemingwayesque format, meaning that the professors seem to want to see every point, no matter how painfully obvious.

I have to make time for outlining, practice exams, and the legal paper.  I think the days of formal case breifing are numbered.  Aside from being the class superstar when called on, there is really no incentive to knowing cases front to back.  The professor will cover any relevant points or developments in class discussion. Hopefully book breifing and skimming before class will carry the day.

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Widener U School of Law / How are rankings calculated?
« on: September 20, 2006, 08:39:09 AM »
Are night and day students ranked against each other, or is night ranked among night and day ranked among day?

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Widener U School of Law / Disturbing. - salaries drop from 04 to 05
« on: June 20, 2006, 08:28:22 PM »
I have received two salary data sheets from Widener Harrisburg during the application / admissions process. 
2004 Priv. Pract. Salary:
Range 42.5k - 90k
Mean 61875
Median 57500

2005 Priv. Pract. Salary:
Range 40k - 80k
Mean 54940
Median 48500

The only redeeming factor is that in 2004 there were 92 graduates v/s 149 graduates in 2005.  This leads me to believe that less qualified people are being admitted to boost revenue.  However, the top salary shouldn't vary by 10k!  I hope this trend doesn't continue.

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General Board / Digital Voice Recorders?
« on: June 09, 2006, 07:52:29 PM »
I'm thinking of getting one of these to record meetings at work as well as classes at law school.  It would be handy to have all lectures on MP3 on my computer.  Does anyone do this?  Any recommendations on products?  Will I be an uber geek if I bust out my recorder in class?

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