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Finally, the moderators are struck by the riff-raff they refuse to expunge.

In the thread below, TDPookie, a Yale law student, someone whose future could conceivably include Supreme Court Justice or high level politician, is publicly degraded and humiliated.

She's told she wants to:
1. Become a stripper.
2. Suck a d*ck.
3. Eat a guy's feces.
4. Sniff a guy's seat.

Had such things been written about someone in civil society (for example at work or at Yale,) she could easily sue for millions. But in this environment, she has to take it.

This board is like a ghetto, a prison, or other low segments of society. I advise people to leave this board. This board is not for civilized people, its for trash. Get off the board lest you pick up its warped and perverted view of the world.

I will be bumping this thread to the top, possibly once per Monday, as a public service announcement.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww . . . .  little Pookie has a little crush on Andrew. Makes me want to just rush to my room and fluff my sheets.

What would TDPookes do for Andrew?
Become a stripper to pay for Andrew's loans
Suck his male private part after a rough game of rugby with Matt and the gang
Taste his excrement on a Baguette
Fly out to Boston just to sniff the chair he sat on for the bar
Dress up in a bunny suit and go on broadway with a sign saying "Pookes heart Andrew"


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Is the civil rights movement motivated by a desire for equality? or by a desire to harass and verbally abuse others? For one self proclaimed civil rightist it seems to be the latter.

How many other supposed "civil rightists" are in it only because such movements offer a safe haven, from which they are free to verbally abuse, harass and otherwise vent their ill will onto the world?

At least you admit to what you are. You're the first one ever. But I wonder. With all the time you spend on verbal abuse and harassment, will you have any time for civil rights and bean sandwiches (like the one you claim to love in your avatar?)
...

Actually, verbal abuse and harassment don't take up too much of my time...I guess it comes naturally.  ...

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General Off-Topic Board / LA stories
« on: January 23, 2005, 01:39:46 PM »
Its 65 degrees outside. Supposed to reach 74 degrees, I think it will. There is zero chance of rain, or cloudy weather, this week. I'm about to step out to the local Bristol Farms. I'm wearing a short sleaved shirt and designer jeans. There I will buy gourmet food as I shop amongst other tanned, healthy, beautiful people with great hair.



More later.

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I understand why students brag when they get into the T-14. Its human nature. But why do the rest of you buy into it? That surprises me.

Its like they just a got a Ferrari and are driving it up and down the block, and you're walking yelling "Yeah you're awesome, you're better than me!"

You should be saying "Forget you and your Ferrari, which is more a sign of your parents' socio-economic status than your inherent worth or talent. When I get out of law school I'll even the score by displaying my talents and worth in court, business or wherever I see you again."

In the real world its considered "name dropping", immature and unprofessional to even mention where you went to school. Most law firms explicitly frown upon it.

As one example, here are the judges in Northern Illinois (Chicago) Federal Court. This is one of the most prestigious and sought after positions in the legal profession. Based on this forum, you would expect to see nothing but Harvard Yale Stanford, maybe a few Chicago Columbia NYU. That's not how it turned out.

Judge Wayne Andersen - University of Illinois, J.D.
Judge Elaine Bucklo - Northwestern University, J.D.
Judge Ruben Castillo - Northwestern University, J.D.
Judge David H. Coar - Loyola University - Chicago, IL, J.D.
Judge John W. Darrah - Loyola University School of Law, J.D., 1969
Judge Samuel Der-Yeghiayan - Franklin Pierce Law Center, J.D., 1978
Judge Mark Filip - Harvard University, J.D.
Judge Robert W. Gettleman - Northwestern University, J.D.
Judge Joan B. Gottschall - Stanford University, J.D
Judge Ronald A. Guzman - New York University Law School, J.D.
Judge William J. Hibbler - University of Wyoming, J.D.
Judge James F. Holderman - University of Illinois, J.D.
Judge Matthew F. Kennelly - Harvard University, J.D.
Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow - Northwestern University, J.D.
Judge Blanche M. Manning - John Marshall Law School - Chicago, IL, J.D.
Judge Charles R. Norgle - John Marshall Law School - Chicago, IL, J.D.
Judge Rebecca R. Pallmeyer - University of Chicago, J.D.
Judge Philip G. Reinhard - University of Illinois, J.D.
Judge Amy J. St. Eve - Cornell University, J.D.
Judge James B. Zagel - Harvard University, J.D.

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Where should I go next fall? / Successful attorneys from 4th tier schools
« on: January 22, 2005, 12:25:06 AM »
I think people place too much importance on where they go to school. Although important, it is in no way the key determinant of your success as a lawyer. In this thread, please post examples of successful legal professionals who came from 4th tier (as measured by the US News rankings) or unaccredited schools.


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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Pepperdine Law discussed on "Joey"
« on: January 21, 2005, 02:23:07 PM »
Not in a good way ... Did anyone watch it?

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Site Suggestions and Announcements / Atrocious moderating?
« on: January 21, 2005, 09:23:18 AM »
A lot of posts on this board seem to have no purpose, other than to verbally abuse and harass. Sometimes the posts contain no information other than an insult. Other times, they are so abusive that if the author were using their school's internet access, it would be grounds for university discipline.

Why aren't these users banned?

I'm going to try to prepare a list of examples of poor moderation. This may turn out to be a long list. If you'd like to help with this list, please PM me the link.

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21950.msg319178.html#msg319178

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319194.html#msg319194

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319204.html#msg319204

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319222.html#msg319222

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319227.html#msg319227

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319253.html#msg319253

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22004.msg319263.html#msg319263

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22005.msg319267.html#msg319267

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22004.msg319277.html#msg319277

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21990.msg319286.html#msg319286

(This is exhausting, I'll have to pick this up later.)

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22056.msg319308.html#msg319308

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21971.msg319334.html#msg319334

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319359.html#msg319359

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21510.msg319363.html#msg319363

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21660.msg319494.html#msg319494

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21381.msg319851.html#msg319851

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21660.msg319854.html#msg319854

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,21960.msg319891.html#msg319891

(This is starting to seem like a losing battle.)

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22117.msg320279.html#msg320279

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22117.msg320433.html#msg320433

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22117.msg320443.html#msg320443

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22203.msg321815.html#msg321815

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22190.msg324009.html#msg324009

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22190.msg324011.html#msg324011

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22326.msg324017.html#msg324017

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22326.msg324025.html#msg324025

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,22319.msg324033.html#msg324033


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Are all Michigan classes this cramped? This room seems poorly designed.

http://www.law.umich.edu/virtualtour/hutchinshall/images/students-in-class.jpg

EDIT: Compare this to NYU's "smart classrooms" design.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/experience/virtualtour/gallery/classroom.gif

Perhaps we can post pictures of classrooms from all law schools?

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Which schools are inherently the most "ist" ? For example,

Maybe Notre Dame is heavily Catholic and might be an uncomfortable environment for a secular Protestant or Jewish student.

There might be some southern school which is extremely racist and would not be a comfortable environment for a black student.

Maybe Washington & Lee is male dominated and would be an uncomfortable environment for a progressive feminist.

Maybe Cardozo-Yeshiva is heavily Jewish and might be an uncomfortable environment for an Arab or Christian student.

Maybe Berkley is super liberal and would be an uncomfortable environment for a conservative student.

(I'm not saying any of the above is true. I've never been to the schools and these are unsubstantiated examples.)

I think such a list would be very helpful. It would help students pick schools where they would feel at home and avoid schools where they would be uncomfortable. I think its a more helpful and useful use of our time to prepare such lists, than to over-argue affirmative action.

Please stay on topic, simply provide the school and what ist it is. Please do not turn this into another AA debate.

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Based on the data from this site http://www.prowler.novaurora.com/

(In reverse order, its the best dating schools for girls)

                                                           GIRL'S     GUY'S   GUY'S   
 SCHOOL                                                    GRADE      GRADE   ADVANTAGE
 ------------------                                      --------    -------  --------
 Georgetown University Washington, DC 21%                      4      2.67    1.33
 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 90%                           4      2.67    1.33
 University of San Diego San Diego, CA 50%                  4.33         3    1.33
 University of South Carolina Columbia, SC 70%              3.67      2.67       1
 University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 40%              4         3       1
 University of Georgia Athens, GA 62%                       4.33      3.33       1
 University of Texas Austin, TX 64%                         4.33      3.33       1
 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 17%    2.67      1.67       1
 Northwestern University Evanston, IL 34%                   3.33      2.33       1
 Brigham Young University Provo, UT 65%                        4      3.33    0.67
 Duquesne University Pittsburgh, PA 96%                        4      3.33    0.67
 Texas Christian University Fort Worth, TX 72%                 4      3.33    0.67
 University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 79%                      4      3.33    0.67
 University of Delaware Newark, DE 53%                         4      3.33    0.67
 University of Iowa Iowa City, IA 85%                          4      3.33    0.67
 Tufts University Medford, MA 23%                           2.67         2    0.67
 Auburn University Auburn, AL 76%                           4.33      3.67    0.66
 Pepperdine University Malibu, CA 28%                       4.33      3.67    0.66
 University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 84%                       4.33      3.67    0.66
 Vanderbilt University Nashville, TN 46%                    4.33      3.67    0.66
 American University Washington, DC 59%                     3.33      2.67    0.66
 University of California - Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, CA 81    3.33      2.67    0.66
 University of New Hampshire Durham, NH 76%                 3.33      2.67    0.66
 University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA 60%                3.33      2.67    0.66
 University of Chicago Chicago, IL 44%                      2.33      1.67    0.66
 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 65%             3.67      3.33    0.34
 New York University New York, NY 29%                       3.67      3.33    0.34
 Ohio State University Columbus, OH 73%                     3.67      3.33    0.34
 Seton Hall University South Orange, NJ 88%                 3.67      3.33    0.34
 Texas A&M University College Station, TX 69%               3.67      3.33    0.34
 Tulane University New Orleans, LA 61%                      3.67      3.33    0.34
 University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 68%                      3.67      3.33    0.34
 University of Maryland College Park, MD 55%                3.67      3.33    0.34
 University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 52%                   3.67      3.33    0.34
 University of Oklahoma Norman, OK 93%                      3.67      3.33    0.34
 Emory University Atlanta, GA 43%                           2.67      2.33    0.34
 Clemson University Clemson, SC 52%                            4      3.67    0.33
 St. Louis University St. Louis, MO 69%                        4      3.67    0.33
 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 60%                     4      3.67    0.33
 Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 53%               4.33         4    0.33
 Brown University Providence, RI 16%                        3.33         3    0.33
 George Washington University Washington, DC 49%            3.33         3    0.33
 Harvard University Cambridge, MA 11%                       3.33         3    0.33
 Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 57%      3.33         3    0.33
 University of California - Davis Davis, CA 63%             3.33         3    0.33
 University of California - Irvine Irvine, CA 59%           3.33         3    0.33
 University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 68%                   3.33         3    0.33
 University of Utah Salt Lake City, UT 91%                  3.33         3    0.33
 University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 38%             3.33         3    0.33
 Yale University New Haven, CT 14%                          3.33         3    0.33
 University of California - Berkeley Berkeley, CA 25%       2.33         2    0.33
 University of Miami Coral Gables, FL 46%                   3.67      3.67       0
 University of Missouri Columbia, MO 89%                    3.67      3.67       0
 University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 32%      3.67      3.67       0
 Lehigh University Bethlehem, PA 47%                           4         4       0
 University of California - Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA        4         4       0
 University of California - Santa Barbara Santa Barbara,       4         4       0
 University of Kentucky Lexington, KY 82%                      4         4       0
 University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 73%                   4         4       0
 University of Vermont Burlington, VT 80%                      4         4       0
 University of Wisconsin Madison, WI 67%                       4         4       0
 Columbia University New York, NY 12%                       2.67      2.67       0
 Boston College Chestnut Hill, MA 34%                          3         3       0
 Boston University Boston, MA 48%                              3         3       0
 Princeton University Princeton, NJ 12%                        3         3       0
 University of Denver Denver, CO 72%                           3         3       0
 University of Rochester Rochester, NY 53%                     3         3       0
 Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 64%                       3.33      3.33       0
 University of California - Riverside Riverside, CA 82%     3.33      3.33       0
 University of Washington Seattle, WA 79%                   3.33      3.33       0
 Wake Forest University Winston-Salem, NC 46%               3.33      3.33       0
 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, NY 68%              1.67      1.67       0
 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 15%           1         1       0
 Miami University Oxford, OH 74%                            3.67         4   -0.33
 University of Colorado Boulder, CO 79%                     3.67         4   -0.33
 Virginia Polytechnic Institute Blacksburg, VA 70%          3.67         4   -0.33
 Indiana University Bloomington, IN 83%                        4      4.33   -0.33
 State University of New York - Binghamton Binghamton, N    2.67         3   -0.33
 University of Illinois Champaign, IL 62%                      3      3.33   -0.33
 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 22%               3      3.33   -0.33
 Brandeis University Waltham, MA 41%                        1.67         2   -0.33
 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 31%              1.67         2   -0.33
 Case Western Reserve University Cleveland, OH 74%          1.67         2   -0.33
 Rice University Houston, TX 23%                            1.67         2   -0.33
 University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 79%                     3.33      3.67   -0.34
 University of California - San Diego La Jolla, CA 43%      2.33      2.67   -0.34
 University of Tennessee Knoxville, TN 69%                  3.67      4.33   -0.66
 College of William and Mary Williamsburg, VA 37%           2.67      3.33   -0.66
 Iowa State University Ames, IA 90%                            3      3.67   -0.67
 Duke University Durham, NC 26%                             3.33         4   -0.67
 University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 76%                3.33         4   -0.67
 Dartmouth College Hanover, NH 23%                             2      2.67   -0.67
 Marquette University Milwaukee, WI 83%                     2.67      3.67      -1
 Cornell University Ithaca, NY 27%                             3         4      -1
 Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 77%                      3         4      -1
 Stanford University Stanford, CA 13%                          3         4      -1
 Washington University in St. Louis St. Louis, MO 23%       2.33      3.33      -1
 Georgia Institute of Technology                               1         2      -1
 Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD 34%                    2      3.33   -1.33
 University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 36%                1.67      3.67      -2

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