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I'm debating whether to unload my Gilberts/Emanual's and E&E's. Will I wish I had them to refer to when I review these first year topics for the bar? Has anyone here used them to clarify some forgotten BLL when doing bar prep? (I'll be taking the CA bar in a few years).

Re the E&E's: are they just too elementary or compartmentalized to ever go back to once you've made it through the course?


Current Law Students / Study aids for Dobbs' "Torts & Compensation"?
« on: June 07, 2007, 01:06:07 PM »
I'm a 0L and have Dobbs' "Torts & Compensation" assigned for fall. It has horrible reviews on Amazon (well, it is a casebook, right?) and I'm wondering what study aids might be useful for that book, esp. keyed to the book.

I saw Dobbs' "Law of Torts" treatise recommended, but I've also seen posts saying that treatises have almost too much information to be used as a clear and concise supplement.

Also, I'll be an evening student w/full time job -> no time after mid-Aug. I'd like to take advantage of my summer (and current 3 hr commute on the train to work) to read overviews of Torts, Contracts and Property so I have a view of the forest going in. Any recommendations?

(On recommendations, I plan to buy E & Es when I'm actually working through the material. I don't want to waste them on my ignorant self this summer).

Thank you VERY MUCH for any help you can give!

OK, so I'm a non-trad (5 yrs WE, married, mortgage, PT LS), and I'm planning to work in a large firm when I graduate. Contrary to popular belief, there are many "large firms" (i.e. 300+ attys, multi ofcs) that are not "BIGLAW" in the sense of being prestige whores (either the firm's "perceived" prestige or the prestige of their attys' education credentials).

I currently work at such a firm (the non-prestige, Big kind) and I want to tap into the online community - especially nontrads, because I think we have a different perspective - to ask this:

If you are planning/would like to work in a "larger" firm (subject to your interpretation), what are you looking for? Would you take less pay (than similar "Biglaw" prestige firms) for some tradeoff? If so, what would that be? What is your top consideration? Flexibility with billable hours? The ability to telecommute? Responsibility as a newer associate? Or is the the primary purpose of working in a "large" firm to get massive bonuses and salaries?

Also - the longevity of your relationship: do you want to work at a firm just to pay loans and then go work for the govt or something? Do you want to try and make partner? Equity partner? Do you want to have an impact in shaping your firm? Or do you want to bill your hours and remain less emotionally involved? What would make you want to stay with the firm over the long term?

If you could influence a large firm's recruiting strategy, what would you say to them and why?

I have been given the opportunity by my firm to provide feedback to management on this issue, so please weigh in with your thoughtful responses.

I don't want to give the name of my firm, so please don't ask. Suffice to say it has an office in LA.

Thanks for your input - I'm interested to hear others' perspectives.

I've gotten into a a couple $chool$ I'm $eriou$ly con$idering, although I'm still waiting on others. I'm wondering, from those of you who have done school visits, which is more valuable in terms of evaluating a school: the formal ASWs, complete with "mock law classes" but formal intros to faculty, students volunteering to pitch the school, mission, etc? Or sitting in on a couple classes and meeting regular students for day (or part of a day)?

I live in the LA area so I can visit the campuses easily, but I work a full time job and need to be very prudent about my days off and really make the most of them. I've thought of a few pros and cons, but please fill me in on any I'm not thinking of.

PRO: more of a community event - it's a mixer, so easier to meet faculty, students, potential classmates
PRO: a coherent, multi-day agenda covering relevant aspects of the school I might not think to investigate on my own
PRO: Might be more opportunities to talk at length with faculty
CON: you only attend "mock law classes" - at least at the ASW I'm considering - how representative are these?
CON: it's a total sales pitch - could make me more skeptical than I would otherwise be
CON: as above; students will be hand-picked for their ability to schmooze and pitch the school

Going solo:
PRO: maybe an opportunity to pick classes you would be interested in attending or faculty you've heard of
PRO: potential to hear from a wider variety of student perspectives on the school - possibly important because these are T4s
PRO: Might be able to attend three or four classes, instead of just two "mock" cclasses
PRO: might be able to investigate parts of the school not shown on a formal tour?
CON: conversation opportunities might be limited - faculty busy or out of office, harder to break into student conversation?
CON: Might not think to ask questions that might be addressed in an ASW
CON: Might not be as good an opportunity to formally introduce yourself to, say, the faculty in the track that you intend to pursue.

Any other thoughts?

Law School Admissions / Should I tell them I LOVE them - even PT?
« on: February 03, 2007, 10:23:23 AM »
Since I've submitted my applications, I've decided that I would rather go to Loyola LA - full time OR part time - than any other school I applied too. OK, that's partly because I'm borderline, and they're my reach school, so of course I want to go there the most but... my GPA/LSAT are at or slightly above their 25th %tile for the PT program (GPA at or slightly below their 25th for FT). I have a 158 and a 3.0, but have been out of school for several years. I'm wondering if my borderline status could be helped if I let them know that, day or evening, they're my first choice.

I DID check the box that said "1st choice day/2nd choice evening" (as opposed to "day only" or "evening only") but I'm wondering if I should reiterate that I will definitely go to the evening program if admitted? I don't have some compelling reason (like kids or a day job) other than the fact that I really like the school, particularly their Legal Research & Writing program, as well as the Public Interest programs they have on campus like the Disablility Rights/Mediation Centers.

Loyola is one of two schools that hasn't requested my LSDAS report yet - should I send them an I-Love-You letter?

Mine was faxed Friday morning, 1/26. I know it's only been two business days but based on other posts I'm surprised it hasn't been processed yet. Anyone else faxing letters during this crunch time? How long did it take LSAC to process?

OK, I applied to USD last night and they requested my report this morning. LSAC sent my "First Time Report" already. PLEEEASE tell me what I should do at this point - here's the issue:

Problem: I only have 1 of 2 LORs on file with LSAC at the moment (the 2nd is REALLY good, but it's being faxed this week)
Problem: USD "welcoms but does not require" LORs, which means they could review my file with just the 1 LOR
Problem: "If applicants wish to have letters of recommendation included in their file, the letters need to be submitted through the LSDAS service" which means I can't have my late recommender send the LOR via fedex or something.
Problem: USD says, re deadlines, "The priority filing date for submitting application materials is February 1. However, applications submitted after February 1 are still given full consideration." Ok... so how much am I hurting myself if I tell them to HOLD my app until after the priority deadline?

Course of Action 1: Call USD and ask to please WAIT TO REVIEW MY FILE until they receive 2nd LOR from LSAC (which they would have to request, right?)If I do this, and the letter doesn't arrive until after Feb 1, what do you think that does to my chances? Pure spec, I know, but I'm weighing A Great LOR v. "Priorty Deadline"
Course of Action 2: Call USD and ask if they will consider receiving LOR directly from recommender even though it clearly states "required to use LSDAS" on website
Course of Action 3: Do nothing and hope that my LOR gets to LSAC, processed, and sent to USD before they review my file
Course of Action 4: Do nothing and preemptively start hating USD for dinging me  ::)


... one of my LORs is not there yet? I only applied 8 hours ago!!
Here's the deal:

School #1: USD has a Feb 1 deadline, so I wanted to apply now to make sure my app/fee was received in time. The 2nd LOR should be there this week - cutting it close, I know. Will USD request the remaining LOR prior to their deadline? Or is it automatically sent to them?
(I have no hope at that school anyway, but I suppose it's just my morbid curiosity).

School #2: Chapman does not even have my APP FEE - I had to MAIL a check (and the cert letter) but they still requested my report. Same thing - it's not "complete" b/c it's missing one LOR. Should I call them and indicate that it's coming? This is my top choice school, so I don't want to jeopardize anything...

Do schools request reports and then let them sit around until they're complete? Or are they making a black mark on my file because I applied before my 2nd LOR was received at LSAC?

This is such a convoluted process   :-\

I don't know if this should be addressed here in or the LSAC board but...

Currently, one of my LORs has not been received at LSAC - I think it's on its way, but I'm not sure.

Should I still apply, pay the app fees and order LSAC reports now?
Or do I need to wait until LSAC has everything that they need before "checking out" and paying my app fees etc.?

Will law schools WAIT to request reports until they see that everything has been submitted (i.e. 2 LORs, not just 1)?
Or by actually applying (fees and all) are you essentially signaling to them that you think you have everything you need to apply, and if you're missing an LOR that reflects badly on you?


Personal Statements, Resumes, and Letters of Recommendation / JERK
« on: January 21, 2007, 08:56:46 PM »
Can I say "jerk" in my PS?

What I'm trying to say is basically that something I was doing forced me to be a jerk for the good of the cause. I am having a hard time finding a way to capture that feeling as succintly and clearly as just saying "I felt like I was being a jerk for the good..." The overall tone of the essay allows for it, but I'm wondering about the offensiveness and colloquialness (???) colloquiality (??!)- I'm all worded out. Any other euphamism I can come up with is so cumbersome and not as punchy - but I don't want to be tooooo punchy.  ;D

Please weigh in, o non-jerks among you!

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