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Hi everyone...

I am have some location decision issues and I would welcome everyone's candid and courteous opinion and/or advice.

If u don't know my background: URM, Non-Trad., Married, work full-time (exp. 15 years).

My dilemma is this:

My schools of choice are Southwestern and Loyola Law School. Both are in the Downtown L.A. area. Unfortunately, I live in Ontario, California (Inland Empire), which is about 45 miles east from Los Angeles, CA. Travel time to Los Angeles is about an hour in the morning and about two hours in the evenings due to traffic. :( I currently work in the San Bernardino, CA area, but getting a transfer to work in the Downtown L.A. may not be difficult. Unfortunately, I cannot get a house in the L.A. area due to the high prices of houses and condo's (median for a house in the L.A. area: $375K, condo: $300K).

There is a bright spot though. I live in the area near LaVerne School of Law (in my city of residence, about ten minutes away). Great school, great faculty, blah, blah, blah. BUT THE SCHOOL IS NOT ABA ACCREDITED! IT'S ACCREDITED BY THE CALIFORNIA STATE BAR, BUT NOT ACCREDITED BY THE ABA!

The ABA went to LaVerne last October for an Accreditation review and assessment, but the school has not received any word from the ABA. As of this date, still no ABA provisional accreditation.

My question to everyone is: Should I gut it out? Should I make the one hour commute to Los Angeles, working during the day, going to Loyola or Southwestern at night? Or should I go to a LaVerne, which is a non-ABA, but State Bar-accredited Law school?

I could transfer later from an non-ABA school to an ABA school, but that's a crapshoot. I won't be guaranteed a spot in an ABA school as a transfer.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks,
Crusader

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Hi everyone...

I am have some location decision issues and I would welcome everyone's candid and courteous opinion and/or advice.

If u don't know my background: URM, Non-Trad., Married, work full-time (exp. 15 years).

My dilemma is this:

My schools of choice are Southwestern and Loyola Law School. Both are in the Downtown L.A. area. Unfortunately, I live in Ontario, California (Inland Empire), which is about 45 miles east from Los Angeles, CA. Travel time to Los Angeles is about an hour in the morning and about two hours in the evenings due to traffic. :( I currently work in the San Bernardino, CA area, but getting a transfer to work in the Downtown L.A. may not be difficult. Unfortunately, I cannot get a house in the L.A. area due to the high prices of houses and condo's (median for a house in the L.A. area: $375K, condo: $300K).

There is a bright spot though. I live in the area near LaVerne School of Law (in my city of residence, about ten minutes away). Great school, great faculty, blah, blah, blah. BUT THE SCHOOL IS NOT ABA ACCREDITED! IT'S ACCREDITED BY THE CALIFORNIA STATE BAR, BUT NOT ACCREDITED BY THE ABA!

The ABA went to LaVerne last October for an Accreditation review and assessment, but the school has not received any word from the ABA. As of this date, still no ABA provisional accreditation.

My question to everyone is: Should I gut it out? Should I make the one hour commute to Los Angeles, working during the day, going to Loyola or Southwestern at night? Or should I go to a LaVerne, which is a non-ABA, but State Bar-accredited Law school?

I could transfer later from an non-ABA school to an ABA school, but that's a crapshoot. I won't be guaranteed a spot in an ABA school as a transfer.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks,
Crusader

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Hi everyone...

I am have some location decision issues and I would welcome everyone's candid and courteous opinion and/or advice.

If u don't know my background: URM, Non-Trad., Married, work full-time (exp. 15 years).

My dilemma is this:

My schools of choice are Southwestern and Loyola Law School. Both are in the Downtown L.A. area. Unfortunately, I live in Ontario, California (Inland Empire), which is about 45 miles east from Los Angeles, CA. Travel time to Los Angeles is about an hour in the morning and about two hours in the evenings due to traffic. :( I currently work in the San Bernardino, CA area, but getting a transfer to work in the Downtown L.A. may not be difficult. Unfortunately, I cannot get a house in the L.A. area due to the high prices of houses and condo's (median for a house in the L.A. area: $375K, condo: $300K).

There is a bright spot though. I live in the area near LaVerne School of Law (in my city of residence, about ten minutes away). Great school, great faculty, blah, blah, blah. BUT THE SCHOOL IS NOT ABA ACCREDITED! IT'S ACCREDITED BY THE CALIFORNIA STATE BAR, BUT NOT ACCREDITED BY THE ABA!

The ABA went to LaVerne last October for an Accreditation review and assessment, but the school has not received any word from the ABA. As of this date, still no ABA provisional accreditation.

My question to everyone is: Should I gut it out? Should I make the one hour commute to Los Angeles, working during the day, going to Loyola or Southwestern at night? Or should I go to a LaVerne, which is a non-ABA, but State Bar-accredited Law school?

I could transfer later from an non-ABA school to an ABA school, but that's a crapshoot. I won't be guaranteed a spot in an ABA school as a transfer.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks,
Crusader

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Hi everyone...

I am have some location decision issues and I would welcome everyone's candid and courteous opinion and/or advice.

If u don't know my background: URM, Non-Trad., Married, work full-time (exp. 15 years).

My dilemma is this:

My schools of choice are Southwestern and Loyola Law School. Both are in the Downtown L.A. area. Unfortunately, I live in Ontario, California (Inland Empire), which is about 45 miles east from Los Angeles, CA. Travel time to Los Angeles is about an hour in the morning and about two hours in the evenings due to traffic. :( I currently work in the San Bernardino, CA area, but getting a transfer to work in the Downtown L.A. may not be difficult. Unfortunately, I cannot get a house in the L.A. area due to the high prices of houses and condo's (median for a house in the L.A. area: $375K, condo: $300K).

There is a bright spot though. I live in the area near LaVerne School of Law (in my city of residence, about ten minutes away). Great school, great faculty, blah, blah, blah. BUT THE SCHOOL IS NOT ABA ACCREDITED! IT'S ACCREDITED BY THE CALIFORNIA STATE BAR, BUT NOT ACCREDITED BY THE ABA!

The ABA went to LaVerne last October for an Accreditation review and assessment, but the school has not received any word from the ABA. As of this date, still no ABA provisional accreditation.

My question to everyone is: Should I gut it out? Should I make the one hour commute to Los Angeles, working during the day, going to Loyola or Southwestern at night? Or should I go to a LaVerne, which is a non-ABA, but State Bar-accredited Law school?

I could transfer later from an non-ABA school to an ABA school, but that's a crapshoot. I won't be guaranteed a spot in an ABA school as a transfer.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks,
Crusader

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For your information:

ABA Withdraws Western State Accreditation Denial
Associated Press
Feb. 9, 2003

FULLERTON, Calif. - The American Bar Association withdrew its recommendation to cancel Western State University College of Law accreditation.

The reversal followed heavy lobbying by the school at the ABA's annual meeting in San Antonio over the weekend and a federal judge's preliminary injunction Friday. The ABA said Sunday it was withdrawing its recommendation, ABA spokeswoman Nancy Slonim said.

ABA accreditation means a law school can attract higher-caliber students and that they can sit for the bar exam in any state.

"I don't think it's over, but we haven't talked about what's next," Western State attorney Don Daucher said. He was among 10 people lobbying at the meeting since Friday to persuade ABA officials to maintain the Fullerton school's accreditation.

Orange County's oldest law school won provisional approval from the ABA in 1998. In 2003, the ABA's Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar recommended that the college lose its status because of low test scores and a high dropout rate.

The college sued in U.S. District Court seeking a temporary injunction to prevent the ABA from taking action. On Friday, Judge Gary Taylor issued a temporary stay, saying the ABA could vote this week but results wouldn't become official until he considered the matter.

The college argued the ABA is biased against for-profit law schools, ignored evidence that test scores and pass rates were improving under new management, and disregarded its own rules.

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Law School Applications / Western State University- ABA backs off
« on: February 09, 2004, 10:59:25 PM »
For your information:

ABA Withdraws Western State Accreditation Denial
Associated Press
Feb. 9, 2003

FULLERTON, Calif. - The American Bar Association withdrew its recommendation to cancel Western State University College of Law accreditation.

The reversal followed heavy lobbying by the school at the ABA's annual meeting in San Antonio over the weekend and a federal judge's preliminary injunction Friday. The ABA said Sunday it was withdrawing its recommendation, ABA spokeswoman Nancy Slonim said.

ABA accreditation means a law school can attract higher-caliber students and that they can sit for the bar exam in any state.

"I don't think it's over, but we haven't talked about what's next," Western State attorney Don Daucher said. He was among 10 people lobbying at the meeting since Friday to persuade ABA officials to maintain the Fullerton school's accreditation.

Orange County's oldest law school won provisional approval from the ABA in 1998. In 2003, the ABA's Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar recommended that the college lose its status because of low test scores and a high dropout rate.

The college sued in U.S. District Court seeking a temporary injunction to prevent the ABA from taking action. On Friday, Judge Gary Taylor issued a temporary stay, saying the ABA could vote this week but results wouldn't become official until he considered the matter.

The college argued the ABA is biased against for-profit law schools, ignored evidence that test scores and pass rates were improving under new management, and disregarded its own rules.

 

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I  am currenly attending Univ. of Redlands - CA (finishing Junior Year).  I am pursuing admission into law school (favorite picks: Loyola, Chapman, USC, Southwestern, Whittier) in fall 2005.  

What I want to know is:  Is a joint degree worth the extra time (four years instead of three) and money?  Will a J.D./M.B.A. or a J.D./P.A. increase my chances of being hired over someone with a J.D. only?  Having a joint degree sounds enticing but, is it worth it?  If not, what would you suggest?  

In addition, would any of you take a L.L.M. and J.D. simultaneously?  Anything to get a competitive advantage, but at the same time, help me to develop better litigation and case building skills.

Any suggestions would greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,
Crusader

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