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Studying for the LSAT / Retake LSAT even with acceptance. Crazy?
« on: January 17, 2008, 05:50:58 PM »
I haven't posted much because I was convinced I wouldn't get into any of the schools to which I applied based on two, equally abysmal LSAT scores. I'm a non-trad, limited by geography (can't move), and sent in apps to the four T2s and single T10 in my area. To my surprise, I got an email acceptance to my first T2 choice (closest, cheapest, well-regarded and places well here) tonight. I do have a somewhat unusual background with 20+ years work experience, which I believe outweighed my scores. I've been planning on going part-time and remaining at my job.

However, I'm scheduled to take one more stab at the LSAT in June. I figured I'd have no choice, but a major part of my decision was simply feeling that I have to fight, 100% for a better score. I wasn't able to take a prep course because of my job schedule and looking back, realize that my self-prep was too shotgun in approach. I've met once with a tutor I really like - no gimmicks, just talking through logic to ensure I truly understand what's going on. I actually enjoy the process.

Is it crazy to retake it anyway? My gut feeling is that finally getting a handle on the LSAT will only help me in school and perhaps I have a shot at a better score, especially without so much pressure. I'm not sure of timing, but if I were to greatly improve my score, would it make sense to reapply next cycle in hopes of money? How late can one withdraw without losing tons of cash? The T14 (a huge reach, I won't get in this cycle) really isn't realistic for me in terms of trade-offs (cost, location and full-time-only program) but I'd still seriously consider it if I were to be accepted.


I originally thought I'd never be able to come up with LORS (20+ years out of school), but am going to end up with more than I need. I've got two from my current bosses, who couldn't have been more supportive of me going back to school. One from my immediate supervisor and one from the exec who hired me - written from different perspectives. These are relevant for me because I intend to continue working there, go to school P/T and possibly end up in a related field.

I have three others lined up (not yet received) from people in my past who don't know me as well these days. How would you order these, assuming you don't know what they say?

#1 - former supervisor from late 90s who knew me, and remembers me, well. Would write a positive, personal letter from the heart. No major credentials.
#2 - from the same employer but 10 years earlier, someone who mentored me during a 3-year intern program. Said he would write a "short, strong letter." Retired executive, Harvard MBA, etc. He was happy to help, but I imagine it would be tough for him to write anything very personal.
#3 - someone I've known for 15 years (still keep in touch with on-and-off) through a local volunteer/hobby organization that I ran for a couple of years. He actually ended up running the club at the national level. Retired admiral, CEO, Harvard MBA, etc.

I have no idea if I'll end up seeing what they write, but assuming I don't, which two would you send to schools if needed and in which order?


After taking the last LSAT as a practice run for me (20+ years out of school, it was an eye-opener for sure), I'm gearing up for Dec. 1 and am changing my study methods based I things that I missed.

The first time around, I practiced LR by jumping around between question types. This time, I'm going through lots of the same type questions at a time. I'm noticing things - for example, one stimulus talks about "small countries" but then jumps to "countries." Is this what you guys mean when you talk about seeing patterns or are you talking about patterns in the answer choices - e.g. using extreme answers when the stimulus is more moderate, etc? Just trying to figure out if I'm on the right track.

Also, regarding the questions that involve formal logic. I have mind-numbing difficulty with the involved questions for which the PS LR book uses extensive diagramming (beyond a couple of arrows), but find a glimmer of hope if I simply "diagram" them out more in written form, in sort of plain Jane, common-sense kind of way. Not perfect, but better than guessing. Does anyone out there also do this or am I headed for disaster?


Studying for the LSAT / So how do you decide whether or not to cancel?
« on: September 29, 2007, 02:55:48 PM »
I'm a nontrad, age 45, and took the test today with about 6 weeks of part-time self-study and a weekend PS course. Was originally going to take in December but felt it was important for me, having been out of school for so long, to go through an actual exam. I'm very glad I did because it so totally different from self-timed ones.

I know that I wasn't truly ready and will do better in December (am already registered) but also think that getting my test back would help me analyze where I went wrong under the stress of a real test. I'm applying to part-time programs (will continue to work full-time) in NJ an PA, with Rutgers-Newark (I know, I know) being the best option simply because of location. Anyone know if they still average scores? (Deloggio says they were one of the few schools still doing that - guess I'll call Monday and ask.)

So I'm conflicted about canceling. Advice? Although my work experience, LORS, etc. are good, my 3.27 GPA isn't stellar.

I can't take a full course because I work some nights so I'll get a tutor if need be. I understand the basic concepts but feel like I need more practice, more timed tests and a little more confidence.

Thankfully, DH is with me on this - he's thought I should go back to school for years.

But I've noticed that some friends are not. At dinner last night, I mentioned that I'm hoping to go back to school. Our friends asked what I was going to study and when I mentioned law, they were silent. I'm getting that reaction from others as well.  :( Even my older brother has been quiet about the whole thing.

I know it may seem a little crazy to be doing this at 45, but I was hoping for a little support.

Hope others have having better luck.

I'm 20+ years out of school and have no academic LOR possibilities but did manage to come up with something I think I should add to my employer LORs. A few years out of college, I went to work in the intelligence community and graduated from a three-year intern program that consisted of rotational assignments and in-house classes and ended with a written thesis and oral exam. Each intern had an advisor, so I emailed (the only contact info I could find) mine  today. Sent a lengthy email detailing who I was (he advised my husband as well), giving him an "out" in case he didn't remember me (this was 15 years ago) and asking if he might be able to help. He's a retired high-level executive, Harvard grad, etc.

He responded with a very brief note, saying he'd be glad to help and asked me to send him a resume and tell him what I want him to do. From the email, I honestly can't tell if he remembers me or not but he's willing to help, so I should go with it, right? Aside from sending him the LSAC form and resume, what else should I do to help direct him? (I'm assuming the guy has written his share of recommendations over the years.)

I'm such a noob at this and my LOR options are slim, so I don't want to screw this up.


I'm 46 and decided to apply for law school earlier this month and have been trying to play catch up on the process. Was originally going to take the LSAT in Dec., but signed up for Sept. because I thought I could get enough studying done, even given my reporter job, which involves days and nights. Also, from what I read, waiting until December would decrease my chances at scholarship funding that I might be eligible for with a good test score. So I figured I'd do Sept. and retake in Dec. if need be. I also registered for one of the free proctored tests on Sept. 15, two weeks before the real test.

I've been feeling a rushed (took one timed test, did awful and was advised to go back and strive for accuracy) and then yesterday ended up sick to the point of losing this entire weekend and probably a few days this week.

At this point, a month away from test day, should I reschedule for December? Or, proceed as planned, take the freebie test, see how that goes and then decide? I'm a little unclear from the LSAT site how late I can reschedule and not have it show up on my record.

What would you do?

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