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Studying for the LSAT / How to go from a 147 to a 169
« on: January 18, 2008, 06:01:34 PM »
This post is for those of you, who are depressed right now about your prep test scores,


I know many people on this board are gunners who land in the upper 160's or 170's the first time they take a prep test, but for those of you who are more like me (first diagnostic = 147) here are some pointers that may actually help.


1. Don't allow yourself to get discouraged after a low initial score....all that means is you're going to have to work your ass off...but know that with hard work a high score is very possible.


2. Clear your schedule if you can. I made studying the Lsat my full time job (about 8 hrs a day) for four months. Your goal should be to do every Lsat question in existence....and not just do them, but understand them...why you got them right and why you got them wrong.


3. Memorize the Powerscore Bibles like the back of your hand. You should be at the place where you can glance at a question stem and in less than a second tell which question type it is (eg. weaken, assumption, justify, must be true etc). Then the part of the Bibles that pertains to that particular question type needs to be in your mind instantaneously. If you can't do that, you're not ready in my opinion. (As for any other books...don't bother...I bought a Princeton review and kaplan book just to see if there was anything in them...absolutely worthless in comparison. I saw some Testmasters books too, there is almost nothing in them...seriously they are mostly filled with working space.)

4. Take a full length course (I did Powerscore's and took mine in Dallas...amazing teacher, I think he is one of their senior teachers or something...anyways, very smart (I think he has a 177), but more importantly, very easy to learn from)... I chose Powerscore over Test Masters because their terminology matched the Bibles...also, I saw a Test Masters booklet, and like I said above...doesn't even come close to the Powerscore stuff. Kaplan is terrible...at least that is what everyone who I've talked to has said. Their teachers only need a 163 or 164 to teach. Anyways, So as long as you can afford it you should take a course...actually even if you can't you should do this. Put it on credit or something...and here is why. Many of my friends decided to just buy the tests and study on their own to save money, but the highest among them was a 160. With a 169 I just landed a 100K scholarship at one of my target schools, so the price of the course (I think it was $1200.00 or something???) was a sweet investment for me. Think about it. Even an Lsat jump of 5 points can either be worth money to you, or admission to a better school. Another one of my friends who had a higher GPA than mine from my undergrad school scored in the high 150's and barely got accepted at the law school I received the scholarship from...ie. $0 scholarship money for him. So ya, taking a course....it's a no brainer for me….HAIL POWERSCORE!!! (Haha…:))…Oh, and do all the homework!!! I mean ALL of it. I had to postpone my test date in order to get it all done, but it was worth it.

5. Do many of the prep tests completely untimed (I mean like 2 hrs/section kind of untimed…you should completely forget about the timed element initially). Save about 10-15 of the most recent tests for your final month of study to be done under actual conditions (not just timed, but use five sections with a 15 minute break after the third one…same time of day etc.), but other than that, I would do them all untimed. Some people disagree with this advice (and that is fine with me), but doing this allowed me to really master each type of question and understand it. By the end I was consistently between 175 and 180 on untimed tests...ie. I understood what I was doing. Then for the last month all I had to really work on was speed. Take it or leave it, but it worked for me.

6. IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH GAMES...READ THIS. I went from getting 7 correct on my first diagnostic to getting 100% on this section on my actual test. (This advice was given to my by Liz and Linbergh...thanx guys…also read all of Liz’s stuff when you get the chance…she is a sweety and if you read the material in her posts, your score will improve…period).

A) Ok, go to the back of the Games Bible and you'll see all the games up to about 2002 (I think) broken down by game type. Eg. Basic Linear - defined; Advanced Linear - overloaded, undefined etc.)

B) Take all the games and group them according to game type. (put all the basic linear games together...all the grouping games together etc. I made a list in Word and crossed the games off as I went along)

C) Then do all the games of one type and master it before you move on to the next type. Eg. Do each "basic linear – defined” one after the other. I would also recommend doing each game about 3 or 4 times before moving to the next one (my rule was one hour per game…maybe 45min for the easy ones). If you do this for every game type you will be a master at them. Also, follow the approach in the Bibles…I also bought the ultimate setup guide and sometimes it helped….once in a while I would miss an inference shown in it. Honestly, doing this while taking the course is absolute GOLD. If you ever get bogged down on a particular game type the teacher is there to walk you through it. So ya, this is the best way to attack the games in my opinion…hopefully that helps.

7. Pray a lot before the test… :)

Well, I know many people on this sight have a higher score than a 169, and for them this information may not be relevant. For those of you who aren't among the guaranteed 170+ group, though, hopefully this shows you that you too can get a descent score if you are willing to work for it...The path above is what worked for me.

Good luck and God bless.





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Studying for the LSAT / Your life hangs in the balance....
« on: December 20, 2007, 04:29:10 PM »
Just to add fuel to the fire...do you realize HOW important the information is that you'll be getting in the next few hours....

...take a moment to think about it....Your life hangs in the balance...

My advice. Don't distract yourself and pretend you don't care. Embrace the magnitude of the experience...imagine how this score will affect your future (let's fast forward shall we)>>>

Now,obviously the school you attend comes to mind...but let's go a little further >>> your career/income bracket, the house you live in, the type of car you drive, maybe even the person you marry (and what they look like :-*), your children's education one day, etc)...haha


Enjoy  ;) (Take pain killers if necessary).

(I gotta go...good luck to everyone)

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Studying for the LSAT / It's time to predict your score....
« on: December 01, 2007, 04:25:13 PM »
Alright, the purpose of this post is to try and predict your score within a five point range...and then (as long as someone remembers) we can bring this thread up again when the scores are released and see how we did...Good luck everyone and God bless.  :)

Here's Mine:

167 - 172 (RC experimental very easy, LG very easy, LR1 moderate, RC harder, LR2 easy)

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Studying for the LSAT / Logic Reason Sections: Order of Q's Strategy
« on: July 24, 2007, 07:42:20 PM »
So right now I'm trying to figure the best order in which to do the LR sections...here is what I've come up with so far...

...do the first four pages (Q 1 to 14ish), then flip to the eighth page and work from Q25 (or 26) backwards...within this skipping the long questions (usually PR or PRIN) and saving them for last.

The reasoning behind this is I'm finding the easiest questions are at the beginning and the end with the hardest ones being around the 15 to 20 area.

Note: The reason why this is important for me to figure out is usually I only complete 22 or 23 questions so I need to get almost all of them correct, and getting bogged down around Q 15 or 16 murders my score.

So what do you think? Does this strategy have any validity with the most recent exams??? Also, does anyone have a strategy that is better for those who probably will have to skip 3Q's or so.

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Studying for the LSAT / Anyone else experiencing insomnia yet?
« on: July 21, 2007, 10:25:12 PM »
So who else has experienced some insomnia due to Lsat stress?

(Ya....Lsat stress leads to Nyquil abuse....I have proof...haha.

Does anyone have any other ideas on how to get to sleep (I mean less addictive ideas).

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Studying for the LSAT / Prayer List for Monday's Test
« on: June 08, 2007, 01:42:54 PM »
I'm taking the LSAT in September, so Monday will not be a high stress day for me like it will be for many of you. On Monday though, I will be praying for some of my friends who will be taking the test that God will be with them and help them as they write. So anyways, I was thinking that I should probably offer to pray for anyone else who wants me to as well since this test could be a defining event in many of our lives. Anyways, if you want me to, just let me know and I will add your name to the list. Also, just your code name is fine. God knows whose who.

Note: I realize that many people have different beliefs, so know that the purpose of this thread is not to shove a particular world view down anyone's throat, or even irritate people for that matter. (my apologies if you've had a Christian person do that to you in the past...I find that particularly distasteful myself). Having said that I also belief that asking God for help works. So if this thread annoys you, well, just ignore it. It's purpose is simply to let people know that I will pray for them if they want me to.

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Feel free to explain your reasoning if you like.


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What LSAT score did you start at (your first preptest under actual conditions)?

What are you currently at?

What do you realistically hope you can get?

Any helpful hints...

(Note: the purpose of this post is to encourage each other and remind ourselves that improvement is possible as we work at this...please do not hijack this post by asking for help with specific questions as there are other posts for that.Thanx)

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Is it better to go to a T14 or UT if you know you want to stay in Texas? (T14 but not T3 more specifically)

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Is it possible to improve reading comp? If so, how?

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