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Job Search / Big law/1L - when to get a response
« on: February 21, 2008, 10:05:00 AM »
I sent out about 100 resumes over the past month.  Two firms asked for interviews, all within 1 day of receiving my cover letter, resume, transcript.  Other firms have slowly sent rejection letters (I get about 2/day).  As far as the firms that haven't yet responded or acknowledged my application, can I expect that they're rejections as well or do some firms wait awhile before scheduling an interview? 

Did a little LSN research. 

Columbia has 146 acceptances (excluding people who've withdrawn), 78 deferred, and 136 on the WL for 360 spots. 

Chicago has 97 acceptances, 32 deferred, and 49 people on the waitlist for 200 spots. 

Granted that LSN does not include everyone... but these chances of getting off a WL don't look so bad. 

Law School Admissions / waitlisted at Penn
« on: April 07, 2007, 06:58:23 PM »
Anyone else get the U of Penn waitlist email on Friday?

Law School Admissions / "Hold" at Chicago
« on: February 06, 2007, 07:23:57 AM »
I got the letter yesterday.  Anyone else in this category?

Law School Admissions / room at the top
« on: January 05, 2007, 07:15:01 AM »
This might be crazy or overly optimistic, but I've complied a list of top law schools and their class size of 1L's:

Yale: 180
Stanford: 180
Harvard: 560
Columbia: 380
NYU: 450
Chicago: 200
Penn: 240
Boalt: 270
Mich:  360
VA: 360

total:  3180 top 10

Ok, now if we look at the LSAT in terms of percentage and not score then there are a finite amount of people who could have scored higher than 170.  Lets say that is the  97th percentile (I'm basing my percentages on the October 2006 - but I imagine they remain consistent).  Lets say this year there are 80,000 applicants (I'm being liberal, I've heard that there will be more like 60,000), so the highest 3% is only 2400.  All of them are getting into a top 10 if they want it.  Lets go to the next percentile.  Another 800 (total 3200).  Pretty much all of them are getting in to (that brings us about down to 168-169 range). 

Now obviously there are othe factors such as gpa, softs, but for the purpose of this, lets just tell the truth and admit that they don't matter as much as LSAT.  Of course, some people are going to choose lower schools for scholarship money and some people with lower schools will be auto-admits because of URM status (I'm not criticizing the system, these are just facts).  But even so, I think that anyway over the 96% can rest assured that he/she will get into a top ten. 

Now lets go and add the others in the t14s. 

Duke: 200
Northwestern: 240
Cornell: 190
Georgetown: 450 (ft)

That's another 1080 to add to the pot.  Which brings us down another percentage point to the 95% LSAT (167ers).  In total there are 4260 spots in t14 schools and there are 4000 people who scored better than 95%.  You are all getting in.

The reality is that all things being equal, anyone in the highest 95% should be getting in to a t14.  But the lower the LSAT, the better other factors need to be.  A 167er with a 3.2 GPA, hasn't got a prayer.  So my point in this is not say that everyone will get in.  Only that if you didn't break 170, but you broke 167 and you didn't get in, then there is something else about your application that is weak.  Most likely GPA, but it could also be a badly written PS or LORs, who knows.  But don't blame your LSAT score - there was room for you at the top. 

Again, this is all my opinion, I am not an admissions officer and I don't have any inside knowledge of the system.  I'm also not a mathematician, so feel free to tell me that this is a totally wrong way to look at the system. 

Law School Admissions / writing sample after deferral???
« on: January 04, 2007, 01:06:25 PM »
Having been deferred at three schools (so far), I'd like to up my chances by sending in supplemental material.  I've already sent one excellent PS and four LORs, so I'd rather not send more of the same.  One school said they would accept writing samples. 

I'm thinking of sending in a paper I wrote a few years ago.  I've re-edited it and it's now 6 pages (including bibliography).  It's not my absolute best work, but it's probably the best sample of my work under 10 pages and I feel like the shorter it is, the more likely they are to actually read it. The paper is an ethical analysis of a historical issue, but not too controversial.     

Do you think that there is any way that sending in a quality writing sample could hurt me?   I'd like to send it even to the schools that didn't specifically request more material,  in order to show that I'm still interested.   I don't mind sending it in if it doesn't make a difference or could help a little, but I don't want to shoot myself in the foot.  Is there any way that sending in an unrequested 6 page writing sample could annoy an admissions committee and hurt my chances?   

Please send comments, thoughts? 


I'm 167 LSAT and 3.75 LSDAS GPA, non URM.

Althought I've applied to a number of T14 schools, I didn't bother applying to Harvard since I figured I don't have a shot in hell. 

Then, today, I get this email:

The Law School Admissions Council has informed me that you may be considering law school this year.  I invite you to take a closer look at HLS and the unparalleled opportunities that are available in our legal "metropolis."

Harvard Law School is a dynamic, vibrant, and energetic place to study the law.  HLS is home to the world's most intellectually interesting and diverse law faculty, leading an incredible array of courses, seminars, and reading groups, which cover every major substantive area of legal study.  Our size is our greatest strength.  For example, Harvard Law School offers approximately 250 courses (100 with enrollments of fewer than 25 students), 500+ clinical placements, and over 100 student organizations ranging from the Scales of Justice (our a cappella group) to the prestigious Harvard Law Review.

In addition, Harvard's focus on public service and international legal studies means that our students are part of the world and having an impact on its many communities.

Admission remains highly competitive at Harvard Law School, but each application receives individual consideration by our team of faculty members and admissions officers.  We believe that a student body with a wide range of experiences, interests, and backgrounds helps to create the best teaching and learning environment imaginable.  While this message in no way ensures your admission, we encourage you to apply.  Every year, we end up admitting students who never thought they had a chance at getting into Harvard!

Please visit Harvard Law School online at to explore the extensive resources and opportunities available to J.D. students, or follow the links below for more information on specific topics that interest you.


Toby W. Stock
Assistant Dean for Admissions

Has anyone else gotten an email like this?  Are they just trying to up their applications, or does this mean I may have an actual chance?  Are they just after my application fee, as most solicitation emails will waive the fee, and this one does not? 

Please send me your thoughts, I don't want to flush my $100 application fee down the toilet, but if I seriously have a chance at Harvard, then I'll apply.  (I should probably mention that I have a ton of soft factors, work experience, foreign travel/languages, etc. - but they couldn't have known that just from my LSDAS numbers).

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