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New York Law School / Overcrowding & other misc. complaints
« on: October 17, 2004, 04:03:14 PM »
The building is very old, the hallways and staircases are very narrow, the elevators are ridiculously slow and often don't work, there's way too many people trying to get around under these conditions with 30 lbs. of books on their backs.

The food is bad, the cafeteria is too noisy, the reading room is too quiet, the first floor of the library is too noisy, the rest of the floors are too quiet, there's not enough group study rooms, there's no place to go and have a quiet discussion.

I'm tired - and I guess a little cranky today.

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New York Law School / Is anyone obsessing on Hamdi v. Rumsfeld???
« on: August 13, 2004, 07:24:34 PM »
I know this board is kind of dead, but I feel like venting and I need to take a break.  I've been working on a brief for Hamdi v. Rumsfeld for hours now.  At this rate, I'm starting to worry about budgeting my time.  Hopefully, it's just a case of over-preparing and I'll laugh at myself later!


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New York Law School / Books?
« on: July 27, 2004, 09:41:26 PM »
Got the big mailer with the schedule.  Do we have to wait till advance week to know what books to purchase?

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New York Law School / Opinions about NYLS
« on: June 30, 2004, 11:46:00 AM »
I came across this post in the Pre-Law discussion group and thought I'd pass it on:


(From a person who just completed 1L at NYLS)
Of course I'm biased, I just finished my first year at New York Law School.I won't tell you that New York Law School is for everyone, but here are some of the good things about the school and some of the bad.

1. It knows it's a third tier school and it's trying to improve. This means that the Dean and faculty are doing a lot to try to make it a second tier (or better) school going forward. What does this mean? LOTS of programs. If you're in the top 15% (not an easy feat) there's the Harlan Scholarship program, this means that you get to join Law Review, affiliate with one of the school's centers (which specialize in all types of law, especially strong are the Media Law, New York City Law and Justice Action Centers). SCHOLARSHIP RECIPIENTS BEWARE: If you come in on scholarship you are expected to maintain your grades, 3.3 for Harlan Scholars, 3.2 for Dean Scholars (at least when I came in). There is a strict curve at New York Law School. Fifty percent get a B or better fifty percent get a B- or worse. Unlike top schools people get Cs and Ds regularly here, you WILL have to hussle to do well.

2. There is a lot of help for students who struggle. There is a new program, started just this past year for the botton 25% of the student (aka the ones who fail the bar consistently). These students are put into what can only be called, as much as the faculty would like to call it otherwise, a remedial program. This is something to be aware of, if you're in the bottom 25% (after the people who flunked out are told they can't come back) you have to go into this alternative program. If you're not interested in specializing or are interested in criminal law, corporate law, or other types of law tested on the bar, this is really no big deal. BUT if you came to the school to study something like Media law (which the school specializes in) or some other type of law not typically covered on the bar you want to seriously consider this. The program adds an additional 6 required courses (most of them you should take anyway) but more importantly limits what elective you are allowed to take. It can mean you have to stay an extra semester (paid by the school) and aren't allowed to participate in certain programs (like some clinics, write-on to bar review etc.)

3. I'm not sure about job prospects when you leave school. That's what it's all about right, getting a job. I still can't get a good sense at how difficult/easy it is to get a job after graduation. I hear all sorts of things. If you have your heart set on a huge law firm, that's not going to be easy from New York Law School, or really any third tier school. Only the top 5-10% probably get interviews each year at the big firms. However, lots of public interest, small and medium firms, and government agencies recruit at the school and/or hire graduates. New York Law School has an advantage over all of those suburban campuses and even Columbia or some of the other New York Schools. We're in downtown Manhattan, right near the courts and right near Wall Street. While companies might not bang down the door to recruit New York Law School students a huge number of alumni got their jobs because they were working at their current employer's office durring the school year. You can't do that at every school and if you want to get our and practice law while you're in law school, this is one way to do. There are great clinical and externship opportunities available too.

4. Price. Slightly over $31,000 for me. There's a flat tuition plan in place, which means that I'm paying this next year what I paid last year. I'm not sure how much it is for incoming students but I'm pretty sure it hasn't reached $37,000.

5. Practical courses. I'm not sure if I'd put this in the good or the bad category. There are a lot of "practical" courses at New York Law School. They're graded on a strict curve and four of them are in your first year. They're on things like legal writing, exam writing and counseling and interviewing. Good things to learn, I always have had a problem with the grading system, I'm not sure why they aren't either pass/fail or combined into one program or something ...

6. Atmosphere. New York Law School doesn't have a ton of "campus life"--well, there's really no campus. It took me quite a while to make friends and still, I'd call most people I know aquaintances. A lot of people are from New York and already have friends. I'm not from New York and instead decided to make friends from outside of the school, which is nice anyway, in law school you need something "difffent"-whatever that is. If you really want to have school friends you could live in the dorms (the school has an arrangement with Polytechnic in Brooklyn Heights) but it's cheaper and often nicer to live with a roommate off campus. Still, I know a lot of people who lived happily in the dorms and made really good friends.

I don't know about the other school you're considering but I thought I'd try to give you a fair perspective on New York Law School, regardless of our ranking. Best of Luck deciding.

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New York Law School / Join the board!!!
« on: June 24, 2004, 08:08:07 AM »
Over 300 hits, but only 4 contributors??  I know you're out there, NYLS people, so why not log on and introduce yourselves.

 ;D



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Has anyone tried to contact the admissions office lately with any questions?   Are they good at responding?  I'm getting a little anxious, so I emailed them with some questions.  No response yet, but I only emailed them yesterday.  I have a little too much free time right now, so I'm driving myself crazy obsessing over minor details, but I don't want to have to scramble at the last minute.

For example:

Does the school have lockers available for 1L's?  (I can't remember from my visit)
Does the school recommend any specific configurations for laptops?
Will there be any discounts available through the school for computer purchase?
Do we have to submit any medical records? Final transcripts?  When?

That's all I can think of for now. 




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Studying and Exam Taking / Is it a good idea to join a study group?
« on: June 21, 2004, 10:27:46 PM »
In college, I never studied with people because I feel that they eventually feed off each other's anxiety, thus creating a toxic environment.  This opinion stems from scenes I observed outside the classroom just before finals - too much second-guessing and anxiety.  In fact, I always made a point to avoid talking to my classmates right before a final because I didn't want anyone disturbing the large amount of information I crammed into my brain the night before.  With that said, I realize that LS is a completely different kind of learning process - (you actually have to apply knowledge, not just regurgitate facts!) - and was wondering if it was a good idea to be in a study group for the first year.  I would hate to find out the hard way whether it was a good idea or not, so any opinions, pro or con, would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Law School Applications / My Dilemma - opinions please
« on: June 28, 2004, 04:59:45 PM »
I was admitted as a full time day student at my school.  At the time I accepted the offer, it was mostly because of a 3-year full time program they have whereby you can start classes at 3:30pm and merge with the evening division but still be a full time student.  This was a perfect arrangement for me because it would allow me to work a few hours in the morning and drive to and from NYC during off hours (public transportation from where I live is very limited).  Well, I just heard from the school - they said that section "might" be disbanded due to lack of participation.  So much for my plan!  I have until Wednesday to let them know if I want to a) go days (which would negate any chance to work); or b)join the evening division and they will "try" to schedule two additional classes for me late in the afternoon.  It looks like option b is the one I have to take, but I'm concerned about being ID'd as a part-timer evening student because I would be labelled as "Section E." 

Can anyone give me some input on anything they have heard about the stigma of being a part-time eveining student vs. a full time?  Even though in my case, I would still technically be full time, the label of Section E kind of bothers me. 

Thanks.

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News Discussion / Dubya flip flop
« on: June 08, 2004, 01:06:07 PM »
I see that the U.S. just bent to the wishes of the French and Germans on the U.N. Iraq Resolution. Gee, isn't that called "flip flop", that the Republicans always accuse Kerry of?
 
Just think, if Bush had been willing to compromise with the Allies before the start of the war, perhaps we wouldn't have lost so many American lives. It just shows you the folly of being stubborn and unyielding just to appear Texas macho tough. In the end, his lack of negotiating in a diplomatic way, which is what Kerry has been proposing all along, has caused him in the end to look foolish and might possibly cost him the election, not to mention the loss of lives.
 
But he can leave the White House carrying his Bible saying that, "God spoke to me and told me that I had chosen the right course". Right away. I'm sure that God also told him to cut taxes and I'm absolutely positive that God told him to do things that would hurt the environment, for which he was the Creator. Yeah sure.
 
Instead of talking to God George, why don't you start by using common sense and negotiate in the fine art of diplomacy. But if you are not intellectually suited for the job, and didn't really want the presidency and simply got pushed into the whole election thing and then when Gore got more votes then you, you had a silent sigh of relief. You thought "YES! I can finally go home to Texas and put on my jeans and go out with my old hunting dog cutting brush", you're stunned to learn that the Republican dominated Supreme Court has just annointed you with the crown and throne of Presidency. "Shucks, what do I do now!"
 
"I'm screwed! I better go out and surround myself with some bright people that can think for me. I don't think they'll try to brainwash me with their own agenda, do you?"
 
Guess what, they did!

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I know the subject of books has been discussed a lot.  I've read all the "get ready for law school" books I care to.  Can anyone recommend books specifically on legal philosophy?

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