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Current Law Students / Good way to make notecards on computer
« on: June 04, 2008, 11:01:30 AM »
Anyone know a good way.  I was looking at MS Word formatting, but couldn't find any good was to do it.  It would need to print front and back, obviously.  Thanks.

I am probably going to research this, but I wanted to see if anyone knew the answer off the top of their head.

Here's the facts:  I signed a 1 year contract at Gold's Gym.  After one year the contract lapsed and I was month to month at that point; there was no clause that said if I didn't cancel it the contract was renewed.  So I paid month to month for another year and a half or so.  Then I moved out of town, I put in a form that said to stop charging my account.  However, I didn't trust them, as I have also heard that big corporations will just keep charging you when they have access to your bank account, so I withdrew my money and closed that account. 

Apparently they have some policy that says you must give them a months notice.  However, if I am month to month and not under contract, I don't think I can be held to that.  They tried to charge me another month's dues, as I suspected they would.  They turned the measly $40 alleged debt over to a collection agency.  Now the collection agency is saying I owe them $79.  They have already called me and I already told them to report it against my credit. 

Three questions:
1.  Once they call me and I refuse to pay and they hurt my credit rating, can they keep pursuing it?
2.  Can they keep raising and raising the amount?
3.  What recourse, if any, do I have against Gold's Gym and/or the collection agency?  I am thinking of contacting the Better Business Bureau, but I know that is non-binding weaksauce.


I have heard this.  Is there any truth to this? 

VA for instance won't release your MBE score.  I have a hunch its because this rumor is largely true but they want to quash it.  I have heard some people go as far as to say that if you do excellent on the MBE they may not even look in depth at your state portion, because there is such a high correlation between high MBE scores and high state scores that they just look at it as a way to cut corners. 

I can imagine them doing something like that.  If they know that 99% of people who get X number of questions right on the MBE will pass the combined exam, is it cost effective to spend time scrutinizing their state essays?

Thanks for any input.

How do they stack up against Barbri?

I have a ton of second hand Barbri materials, but I am concerned about not having a lecture CD or DVD set.  If I want the Barbri courses on iPod, I have to pay about $4700 for everything, they don't offer an option to just get the lectures.  The study group has an option for $900 and an option for $1700, both including materials and audio CD lectures. 

I talked to one person who used Barbri to pass Florida and The Study Group to pass Georgia,and he said he thought the latter was just as good.

Thanks for any input.

I have looked around on google but couldn't find anything.  I hear a rumor that certain states will accept an old MBE score if it is within two years, and you only have to take their state portion.

Anyone heard of this?

I recently graduated and my free westlaw account expired.  Essentially, I need to find the Florida Statute that says this:

When you move out, the landlord must either return your deposit (plus interest if applicable) within 15 days of termination of the lease, or justify in writing within 30 days of the lease termination, why part or all of your deposit is being kept. The justification must be sent by certified mail to your last known mailing address. If the notice is not sent as required within the 30-day period, the landlord forfeits the right to impose a claim unless you failed to give proper notice prior to vacating.

It may not be that exact wording.  Please copy and paste the statute and citation here.  This would be much appreciated, Thanks!!

Current Law Students / Question about reciprocity
« on: April 29, 2007, 10:47:38 AM »
This website has a list of states with rules for reciprocity:

Now Virginia has a lot of reciprocity, but none with North Carolina.  However, Virginia has reciprocity with states that have reciprocity with North Carolina.  So, for instance, if I get admitted in Virginia could I apply for reciprocity in West Virginia or New York, and then once I get admitted there apply for reciprocity in North Carolina? 

Current Law Students / what is good about SA or PD jobs?
« on: August 23, 2006, 07:27:58 AM »
I submitted my resume through OCI for a bunch of jobs that I didn't necessarily want.  Well, I wasn't really convinced I would get the interviews because I am not a "certified legal intern" (in florida it means the supreme court licenses you to practice as a lawyer temporarily before you graduate), and I haven't worked at a SA or PD office.

Well, I have interviews this week and next week including Public Defender's offices and State's Attorneys offices.  When they ask me "why are you interested in this position," I want to be able to respond, so what are the perks of working those jobs?

Here is all I can come up with:
1. You get a ton of litigation experience, whereas first and second year associates in civil firms are typically stuck shuffling papers
2. The work is probably pretty interesting.  Prosecuting a DUI or something like that is more interesting than checking property for easements, or analyzing the proviso language of a contract for the sale of toaster ovens, IMO.

anything else?  anything at all would be helpful.

Job Search / JAG corps
« on: April 10, 2006, 04:27:03 PM »
How competitive is it to get into the JAG corp? 

The reason I am considering it is because I have really had trouble with employment, and I don't feel like f-ing with interviews again as a 3L, just to have no positive result AGAIN.  More importantly, I don't think I can spend 3 years of law school and graduate without a job or even ever having a real summer associate position, and still be able to respect myself. 

So, I have been considering the JAG corp. I talked to the Navy and they said it is a 4 year commitment, pays around $50K taking housing and medical into consideration, and they would give me $22K for my 3L year. 

My problem is, however, I heard a rumor that it is SUPER competitive, with +1000 applicants for less than 50 spots.  I really don't feel like wasting my time if that is the case.  However, I don't really see how the military could afford to be so picky, do they really have such an abundance of applications?  Also, I feel like I would be very desirable to the military: I have an engineering degree, I am in excellent physical health, I could do at least 25 pull ups, 100 pushups...etc., I am in the top 50% of my class, and my lawschool is almost top tier (53rd). 

thanks for any info.

Law School Admissions / Free preview of law school
« on: April 10, 2006, 06:53:49 PM »
I know that some people are going to say 'that is wrong' or 'he is just mad,' but I honestly feel like I had a false impression upon considering law school, so I want you people to read this.  I know many of you think that law school is in the same league as med school, and in a laymans point of view, it is.  The people I run into who I knew before law school act like I will be making 100K after I graduate, and that I have it made.  This is NOT AT ALL the case.

Basically, what I would explain to anyone planning to apply to law school is that I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Maybe that is melodramatic, but it is how I feel right now. I have never had an institution make me feel so worthless in my entire life. I will have been in school for more than a quarter of my life before I graduate, and I will have to fight harder to get a lower paying job than I would if I had stopped with an undergrad degree. If you are interested, read on:

I would first like to say that I have a engineering degree. At my undergraduate school, people ask you what your major is, if you say engineering they are automatically impressed. So one would think that a graduate degree on top of that would be even more prestigous, even more desirable. Basically, I could have taken a job out of undergrad making $40K easily, so you would think that with a graduate education on top of that you would be actively recruited, that you would be in demand.

That is FALSE. Also, people mention "doctor or lawyer" in the same sentence when speaking about what they want to be when they grow up, because they are both considered to be prestigious. That is completely misleading.

For example, FSU accepts approximately 10% of those who apply. So, of that 10% approximately half accept and enroll. So, that 5% of total applicants makes up the freshman class. Law school has this thing called 'law review,' which is the top 10% of the class taken from the first year. THESE are the people who are recruited. Thats right, 90% of the people who made it into the top 5% of all applicants who excepted are not even recruited for jobs. That is .5% of all total applicants who get job interviews; 90% don't get accepeted and 9.5% of those who do have to fight to even get an interview.

Of all the law firms that came to campus, I was excluded from even submitting my resume to 98% of them because I was only in the top 50% of my class. Only in the top 50% of my class, a class that makes up half of the top 10% who applied, which makes up the top 5% of the their undergraduate class and the top 15% of LSAT scores in the nation. Keep in mind, this isn't even a top teir law school; we are ranked 56th but will most likely break into the top tier (top 50) before I graduate.

On top of all that, law school isn't even hard. You might think 'whats wrong with that?' In undergrad, easy classes are sought after. Well, in most law schools they have this thing called a 'forced curve.' That means that only 5%-10% of all students get A's. Only 20% get B+'s. On top of that, the work is easy and the people you are competing with are EXTREMELY smart. The people you are competing with are already in the top 5% of their undergraduate class and the top 15% of the LSAT scores in the nation. So what is the answer to that equation? The answer is that everything is subjective. They don't tell you what you need to know, they don't tell you how to study when you first show up. The people who succeed are NOT the ones who do the most work. The people who suceed in easy classes are the ones who write the best in timed situations. Not just who writes the best, it is who writes the best in the teacher's subjective opinion.

So if the people are extremely smart, and the grades don't correspond to the amount of work you put in, people will figure it out. This breeds the biggest atmosphere of hate and contempt I have ever experienced. Never in my life have I ever hated someone simply because they did well, but I do now. It seems low, but you will understand it if you ever experience it. I HATE the people on law review; not a single one of them worked harder than I did, not a single one of them has a harder undergrad major than I do. On one level I hate them, but on another level I actually question my own intelligence. This is the way everyone in the bottom 90% feels, as far as I can tell.

So in conclusion, law school breeds hate. You are judged on criteria that have nothing to do with your intelligence or work ethic. You will not be in demand. Statistically, you will not pass the bar exam (you will not be able to practice law) if you are in the bottom 3rd.

I would give my left nut to start over and take a job in engineering. Of all the things I have done in my life, what I thought would be one of my most prestigous accomplishments turned out to be one of my worst mistakes (as of now).

Take it for what it is worth.

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