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Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Waitlist and Loans
« on: July 22, 2006, 03:46:44 PM »
I recently received notice from the school that I'll likely attend that my bill for first semester tuition will be due by the second week of August. I'm pretty sure that I'll know for certain by then (or a bit before) whether or not I'll get off the waitlist at my school of choice. However, that will only leave a one to two week gap for to pay the bill and execute my Stafford loans. Does that window seem to small to anyone else?

We were told back in April not to execute loans until we were certain that we planned on enrolling at a certain school. Is anyone else risking paying a late fine in order to wait for a wailist admit to the (near) bitter end, or have the rest of you waitlist hopefuls simply executed your loans and prepared to attend your likely school with the intent of backing out later and dealing with the mess should you get called from a waitlist?

Incoming 1Ls / Recruitment Stats
« on: April 19, 2006, 10:30:14 AM »
I created an Excel spreadsheet that lists the data from the recently updated NALP database for each school (for which data was available). It's ordered in one worksheet by the number of recruiters a school attracts; the other worksheet is in alphabetical order (for the most part).

I know that there other factors to consider when deciding how employable graduates are from different schools, but the list should give some indication of what the employment prospects are from the various law schools.

If this data is already available somewhere else, feel free to laugh at me for wasting a lot of time.  ;D


For those of you who are thirsty for even more data regarding the USNWR rankings, I created an Excel file that compares lasts year's rankings with this year's.

If you need clarification on anything, or if you notice any errors, well, that's too bad...I mean, let me know.  ;)


After getting waitlisted at Richmond yesterday, I've officially heard back from all six of the schools to which I applied. My dream, of course, is to be accepted off of the Mason waitlist, but alas, I'll probably need a backup, which leads me to my inquiry: Villanova or Syracuse?

Syracuse (Pro):
-Half tuition scholarship
-Law and econ program, which interests me (hence my username)
-Low cost of living
-Nice facilities
-Good name recognition (thanks to the undergrad school)

-Pretty far from where I live
-Barely in the top 100
-Mediocre employment prospects
-I don't want to work in NY/NYC

Villanova (Pro):
-Well ranked (though not top 50)
-Strong employment prospects (particularly in Philly)
-Decent climate
-Only three hours from where I live
-I was impressed by the faculty/career center during accepted studentsí day

-The facilities
-High cost of living
-No scholarship money
-No official concentrations (like corporate law, law and econ, etc.)

I guess what I'm wondering is would it be a bad idea to leave all that money on table in order to attend a school that's not even in the top 50, or would it be foolish to turn down a much better ranked school with stronger employment prospects?

As a bonus question, should I be accepted off the Richmond waitlist (and not the GMU one), I think I'd prefer to attend UoR over either Nova or Cuse primarily because I'd like to practice in the DC/VA area and I like their facilities. Would this be a bad call especially since I won't get any money from them?

Thanks for any forthcoming opinions!

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Richmond
« on: March 24, 2006, 07:02:24 AM »
For those of you still waiting on Richmond, I finally heard back yesterday (I had applied in December) with an offer to be placed on the waitlist. When I called earlier in the week to inquire as to when the decisions were going to be made/sent, they told me that they were starting to send out some batches this week and next. I guess if you scored in the high 150's, you'll be joining me on the WL.

As for the letter itself, it was actually more enthusiatsic than the acceptance letter I received from Villanova. They made it sound like the only reason I hadn't received an intitial offer was because the dean had pressured them to be very conservative in their acceptances in order to ensure that they'll keep the incoming class under 180 students. It also ended with the dean of admissions noting that she hopes to be able to welcome me to the law school in August.

It's hard to tell if they're really anticipating turning to their "selective" waitlist or if they're just trying to be nice. Either way, Richmond seems like it's a pretty cool law school. Did anyone else receive the same letter yesterday?

Incoming 1Ls / 1L-2L Summer
« on: March 14, 2006, 07:46:11 PM »
From what I understand, incoming 2L's are lucky if they get paid positions over the summer, but this begs the question, how does one finance his living arrangements if it's unlikely he'll be offered anything other than volunteer work?

In undegrad, it was easy: Go through the ritual of moving everything out of the dorm room, pack it into mom/dad's car (or toss it), and head back home for a summer of menial labor to pick up a few bucks or maybe secure a local internship, etc.

I suppose this is still possible if you go to a school that offers (and are willing to pay for) furnished, law/grad school dorms and try to find some local volunteer experience, but it doesn't seem like most law students will get this opportunity. Don't most apartments require a 12 month lease, which means you're on the hook for the summer as well? If you're in a major metropolitan area, you may not want to leave, BUT if the only 'employment' you can find is volunteer work, how do you pay for your living expenses? If one attends a school that doesn't really offer much in the way of summer employment, is one forced to pay for the summer rent AND relocate?

In essence, I'm asking if students tend to:

1) Sublet their apartments for the summer (taking their personal belongings and leaving their furniture) and head home and try to find volunteer legal work outside of their school's market


2) Hang around, secure volunteer clinical work through their school in the area and beg their parents for money, borrow (even more) over the summer (!), or try to work an additional part-time job, which barely allows them to make rent while forcing them to neglect the A/C and real food for 3-4 months while cursing the day they decided to go to law school

Maybe there's a simple answer to this question, or I've been misled about the facts, but it seems like this predicament would make an already stressful end to the first year law school even more taxing.

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