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I just wanted to respond to a couple of messages I received with questions about firm recruitment at Hastings.  I am posting a list of schools with the highest number of firms recruiting.   Note that Hastings has over 200, which is large compared to schools of "higher rank."  But also consider that Hastings is a very large school, and you still need decent grades. But this number is all the more impressive considering the small # of firms recruiting at schools like American, Washington Univ. in St. Louis, Wisconsin, George Mason, Minnesota, and Cardozo (considering it is in New York).   

Over 800 firms:  Georgetown, Harvard [note, of course, that Georgetown and Harvard are the two largest top law schools in the country in terms of student population]

Over 700 firms:  Virginia

Over 600 firms:  Duke, Michigan, NYU

Over 500 firms:  Berkeley, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Stanford

Over 400 firms:  George Washington, Howard, Northwestern, Texas, Yale

Over 300 firms:  Cornell, UCLA, Vanderbilt

Over 200 firms:  Boston College, Boston Univ., Emory, Fordham, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Southern California, UC Hastings, William & Mary (and Washington & Lee is very close, with 197)

Over 150 firms:  UC Davis

Over 100 firms:  American, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Houston, Illinois, Iowa, Loyola/Los Angeles, Minnesota, SMU, Tulane, Wake Forest, Wash U/St. Louis, Wisconsin

72-94 firms:  Baylor, Brigham Young, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Case Western, Catholic, George Mason, Indiana, Miami, Ohio State, Rutgers-Camden, Rutgers-Newark, San Diego, Santa Clara, Temple, Villanova, Washington/Seattle

49-66 firms:  Chicago-Kent, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Denver, Florida State, Kansas, LSU, Maryland, Oregon, Penn State, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seton Hall, South Carolina, South Texas, St. John's, Tennessee.  (And on the cusp:  Arizona [47], Loyola-Chicago [47], Mississippi [47], Utah [46], Georgia State [45], Missouri-Columbia [45].)

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Having a great experience here.  Fire away

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I am just finishing my first semester at Hastings, and loving it.  Feel free to ask me any questions.  Good luck with applications. 

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I am just finishing up my first semester at Hastings, and absolutely loving it so far.  Feel free to ask away. 

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I am a current law student, and initially, I wanted the big firm job also.   But I don't understand why anyone would want that terrible life.  But after considering that you'll be working sometimes 80 hours a week and doing grunt work, it doesn't look so appealing anymore -- especially considering you arent making that much on an hourly basis.  You basically are working two $65,000 a year jobs.  That's not such a great deal.  And to those of you who are thinking that it would be worth the money -- DO YOU REALIZE HOW TOUGH 80 HOURS A WEEK IS FOR ALMOST EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE ???????  Think about it.   And it's not like the work you are doing is that stimulating at a big firm.  At first it is mostly research or docket review.  Think about working for a smaller or mid-sized firm if you want money, where you may start out at $80,000 a year but you can work your way up.  Or public sector programs arent so bad either (usually you work only 40 hours a week, and most public sector jobs have loan forgiveness programs, so you are in effect making almost as much the first few years.  After that, you get pretty decent pay raises in the public sector after about 5 years)  So just think about what you are getting into...   

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Law School Applications / UC Hastings Student taking questions
« on: October 25, 2006, 10:09:06 PM »
I encourage you all to look into UC Hastings in San Francisco.  I am having an amazing experience so far and am happy to take your questions. 

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I am loving my experience here at Hastings and would be happy to answer any questions you may have. 

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I emailed Hastings about it's relative low placement numbers at graduation, and I got a fairly thorough response back.  This might help those considering the school, or even to gain a sense of other legal markets around the country.   


"Hello!

The Admissions Office forwarded your question to me.  You're wise to
question the numbers because they do capture only a slice of the
total picture.  US News does calculate its numbers somewhat
differently from other reporting sources, including the ABA and the
National Association for Law Placement (NALP), generally our at-
graduation numbers have been around that rate; for the Class of 2005
it was around 65%. 

When you look at the numbers you'll also see very few of the other
top schools with class sizes larger than Hastings....maybe a handful.
You'll also see that those schools with larger class sizes are
sending their graduates out into very different geographic areas-
generally ones with very large legal markets.  Traditionally, the
majority of students who graduate from Hastings stay in the immediate
Bay Area, and while this is a decent size legal market, the legal
markets in LA, Chicago, DC and New York are dramatically larger.  For
example, NALP compared job centers for the Class of 2004 and found
that San Francisco had 454 jobs, LA had 970, DC had 1,759 and NYC had
2,812!  What this means is that a local Bay Area job search may take
some more time, but as you see, our nine month numbers are strong,
showing that our people do find the jobs.  We also have a staff
position devoted solely to coaching recent graduates through their
search!

In addition, a significant percentage of our graduates are looking
for government positions, such as District Attorney and Public
Defender jobs, as well as smaller firms.  The DA and PD offices
almost invariably wait until after bar results come out to hire new
attorneys, because they need you in court immediately and you have to
be licensed to make court appearances.  Small firms also prefer to
wait to for bar license because they need their attorneys to be able
to sign pleadings and make court appearances immediately.  US News'
emphasis on at-graduation numbers actually devalues those schools
sending large numbers of their graduates to employers who wait to
hire until after the bar--and a number of schools have, therefore,
been asking US News to reconsider its use and weighting of this
number.

I hope this adds some perspective and context to the numbers.  Good
luck with your law school decision!

Cheers, Sari Zimmerman"

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I emailed Hastings about it's relative low placement numbers at graduation, and I got a fairly thorough response back.  This might help those considering the school, or even to gain a sense of other legal markets around the country.   


"Hello!

The Admissions Office forwarded your question to me.  You're wise to
question the numbers because they do capture only a slice of the
total picture.  US News does calculate its numbers somewhat
differently from other reporting sources, including the ABA and the
National Association for Law Placement (NALP), generally our at-
graduation numbers have been around that rate; for the Class of 2005
it was around 65%. 

When you look at the numbers you'll also see very few of the other
top schools with class sizes larger than Hastings....maybe a handful.
You'll also see that those schools with larger class sizes are
sending their graduates out into very different geographic areas-
generally ones with very large legal markets.  Traditionally, the
majority of students who graduate from Hastings stay in the immediate
Bay Area, and while this is a decent size legal market, the legal
markets in LA, Chicago, DC and New York are dramatically larger.  For
example, NALP compared job centers for the Class of 2004 and found
that San Francisco had 454 jobs, LA had 970, DC had 1,759 and NYC had
2,812!  What this means is that a local Bay Area job search may take
some more time, but as you see, our nine month numbers are strong,
showing that our people do find the jobs.  We also have a staff
position devoted solely to coaching recent graduates through their
search!

In addition, a significant percentage of our graduates are looking
for government positions, such as District Attorney and Public
Defender jobs, as well as smaller firms.  The DA and PD offices
almost invariably wait until after bar results come out to hire new
attorneys, because they need you in court immediately and you have to
be licensed to make court appearances.  Small firms also prefer to
wait to for bar license because they need their attorneys to be able
to sign pleadings and make court appearances immediately.  US News'
emphasis on at-graduation numbers actually devalues those schools
sending large numbers of their graduates to employers who wait to
hire until after the bar--and a number of schools have, therefore,
been asking US News to reconsider its use and weighting of this
number.

I hope this adds some perspective and context to the numbers.  Good
luck with your law school decision!

Cheers, Sari Zimmerman"

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / UC Hastings -- loved it!
« on: March 21, 2006, 04:20:16 PM »
I was equally impressed with Hastings as I was with Davis.  A friend of mine showed me the residential tower, which is next door to the school.  I wasn't expecting much, so was actually surprised that it seemed pretty decent.  Nothing too fancy, but the convenience of it being nextdoor, a good enough gym, and study areas, it seemed like it would make everything more time-efficient.  And it was a bit nicer than I expected. 

The actual campus itself is one building.  The facilities seemed more modern and updated than Davis', with plenty of study areas and space even with the library under renovation.  The class I sat in on was interesting, the students seemed smart and quite happy.  Also, the school isn't in that bad of an area, but have no illusions, walk 2 blocks west and you are in the thick of the tenderloin.  But I don't see this as too much of a problem, since there is easy access to the subway and trains, and San Francisco is one of the greatest cities in the world.  While I could easily see myself at either school, Hastings seems to be the overwhelming favorite at this point.  Just got waitlisted at Washington University in St. Louis over the weekend, but now I'd go to Hastings even if I were admitted. If I get into GW off the waitlist, then I'll be in a dilemma.

 Also, don't believe the rumors that Hastings is cutthroat competitive; the students just laugh when it is brought up.  My friend said it couldnt be the further from the truth.  And I don't see it as possible either.     

If anyone has questions please feel free. 

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