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General Board / OCI advice for 2Ls.
« on: July 10, 2008, 10:00:45 PM »
I thought this would be a helpful thread for all those going through the process of OCI in the next few months.  I am currently a rising 3L and went through it all last year.  However, the reason I am making this thread is that as my summer associate experience is coming to a close, I have learned (As I am sure pretty much every other summer has also learned) a good overview of what goes on in the firm, what they like to hear, what the summer program is like, what they look for in candidates, what is proper convo during lunches, and basically stuff I wish I knew before I was interviewing. 

without getting into explicit detail, I thought I would make some of the following suggestions- some are obvious, some are not. 

1. social skills matter almost MORE then experience at the interview stage: (duh):  when you ask "what makes this firm different then any other firm?"  they ALL say the people.  and it's true.  you are going to be working LATE hours with these people.  if you are on a heavy, time pressed case with other associates, you will be eating meals with them and seeing them more often then your significant others- they want someone who they can hang out with, talk to and generally have a good time with when doing work.  While you make think all this is obvious, i dont think its stressed enough.  when you have the interview, you got the foot in the door, nows the time to shine- smile alot, be friendly and social and show them that you are an AWESOME PERSON while being polite and professional at the same time. 

2.  RESEARCH the firm before hand:  that was my number one biggest mistake.  I figured they all practiced the same stuff, they were all big, all paid alot- all the same. when they would ask "why us?" I would B.S. something about how they had a great diverse practice area and had such a strong reputation. bad, bad, bad.  find out who their clients are, find out DETAILS about the practice area.- if they are heavy in banking & finance find out what recent matters they handled and stress WHY that interests you. its not enough to say the firm has a great reputation b/c it won X, Y, and Z case- you want to say why that appeals to you.  firms are VERY VERY proud of what they have accomplished and they like to stress their individuality.  show them that this matters to you as well.

3.  ask about the details of the summer program: buddies, mentor, training, work assignments and feedback.  I was always scared to ask this b/c I didnt really know what was expected in a summer program.  what i learned was that each program is different in how its run:  what type of assignments will I be getting?  Do I get to pick the practice groups? What is the feedback like? are there educational programs throughout the summer, etc. etc.  this is huge b/c this is what you are being hired for, you want to know if the program fits your needs, esp if you are looking at offers from a variety of firms. (try to stay away from asking about how many events they have, if you will be getting a blackberry and how much the lunch budget is)

4. dont be afraid to ask about Pro Bono: firms are very proud of their pro bono work and are making huge attempts to promote it.  ask what pro bono work they do, if there are pro bono teams, if you can get involved in pro bono as a summer, etc, etc.    I was always scared I'd come off as not being devoted to the corporate world If i showed I was interested in this stuff, but they really do like to show how committed they are to this stuff.

5. Corporate v. Litigation:  what makes one different then the other? do some initial research on what actually separates the two in terms of day to day tasks- you'll find the big split in pretty much every firm and its good to have a background when asked about it in an interview (beyond the basic litigators deal with lawsuits, corporate deals with contracts). 

6. Smile and Nod alot when the interviewer goes on and on about himself:  asking the interviewer about their own experiences at the firm is awesome: they love to talk about themselves usually!!

7.  Do you have an area of interest?  You will usually get asked this.  if you dont have one, thats fine but practice what you will say (I am interested in so many different things because......; I am excited to get to work with a variety of different practice groups...)  if you do have one, make sure you have a good reason WHY you like one better. even if its just it interests you, it sounds better then saying "i've wanted to be a litigator b/c I love law and order" or "law school doenst teach us transactional stuff so I figure I should do litigation."

8.  Don't be TOO casual.  It's really a fine line.  you want to come of as personable and show them how awesome you are but you dont want to babble on about your boyfriend problems either (I've heard horror stories about this!!) be careful what topics you cover.

9. Try to stay away from sounding stuck up.  It's easy to want to sell yourself at an interview (and we all do) but when asked about certain accomplishments you want to sound down to earth, not like you are god's gift to mankind. this goes back to point number 1: they like people who they can chill with. everyone is smart, whose someone I can see myself grabbing a drink with at 1am after a 14 hour day?  play up your accomplishments without sounding like a brat.

10.  if you haven't, put hobbies on your resume. best thing I ever did.  fantastic interview starters- I got asked about certain things I put down on almost every interview and often got asked about it.



GENERAL ADVICE:
-dont schedule too many callbacks in one day: you want to be at your best and brightest, not tired and freaking out about when your next one is.
-research the firms.
-notice how they treat support staff and other lawyers. are doors open?  do the lawyers seem to know each other?  are people overall friendly?
-eat very very neatly (I have awful table manners- it took me lots of practice!)
-Smile alot

and most importantly: DO YOUR HOMEWORK.  why this firm? and why should they hire you? what will you do for them? find out what is generally expected of a summer associate and stress why that summer associate should be YOU.


PLEASE ADD MORE!!

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hey all,

Im looking to brush up on my legal research/writing skills. my school does lexis/westlaw training and all but id rather have a book where its all in one place that i can study on my own time.  I'm going to be a 2l This year and althogh i took a one credit legal writing class my first year, i feel there is a ton i dont know and the majority of our assignments were pass/fails.

any suggestions on books i could get/tips would be much appreciated

thanks

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / anyone need an apt in boston???
« on: March 05, 2007, 06:50:52 PM »
I live in brookline now and am looking to sublet for othe summer and my roomate is staying, so its available for all next year as well.  im not sure if this is the proper place to post this but i am in NY for the summer and really need to find someone!! its GORGEOUS. please PM me for details and i will send pics!!


and any suggestions on where besides craigslist i can post an ad??

thanks,
Suzie

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that they want to sell me???

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Where should I go next fall? / help me!! BU v. Fordham
« on: August 10, 2006, 12:52:23 AM »
okay so i already have my deposit in at BU, i have an apt there, everything set...

i got a call this morning from fordham..i am in full time

some background info:

i want to work in NYC..would have great connections coming from fordham..
im from NYC
i could live at home to save money..commute is only about 20-30 min subway ride which ive done all my life and don't mind
fordham was my first choice going into the whole application process
my boyfriend will be in NY as will many of my friends and my whole family

I love boston
I went to undergrad at BU, have tons of friends theres, and love the school
professors are amazing..know lots of graduates/ current law students taht are doing great and love it..and i was quite excited bout going
my apt there is GORGEOUS and living at home woudl suck ass...
and most importantly, I am getting 15,000 a year from BU..nothing from fordham..

schools are similarly ranked..although BU is slightly higher..fordham places better in NYC im sure

HELP MEEEEE


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Event Info Name: TaJ
Tagline: hot venue, free admission!
Host: RISA
Type: Party - Club Party
Time and Place Start Time: Saturday, June 3, 2006 at 9:00pm
End Time: Sunday, June 4, 2006 at 5:00am
Venue: TAJ
Street: 21st street between 5th and 6th  (map)
City: New York, NY

Description
Taj Saturday night . . . 48 West 21st Street (Bet. 5th & 6th Avenue) say my friend's name - Risa- at the door and get comped before 12 and reduced after


sorry i copied it from my facebook invite so it looks a little formal....but my friend is promosting for TAJ and im trying to help her out so come and bring people! free admission and if you meet up with me and i can get you free drinks all night as well..

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General Off-Topic Board / to all the beautiful men
« on: May 29, 2006, 01:50:19 PM »
you guys got it pretty darn good too  :-*

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im in tears right now acutally..mostly over just how stupid i really am

so im going through my all my law school stuff to throw out stuff from schools im not going to as im leaving my dorm in 2 days for the summer..

what do i see but my GW financial aid letter...i looked it over again for some reason only to realize that there at the bottom after the expected fin aid contribution of parent/student (which exceeding 25k) was the words: law school tuition grant

yup there it was

something i for some reason didnt f*in notice 2 month ago

8,000

not a whole lot..but it coul dhave helped persuade me to go to GW seeing as the only reason i turned it down was to go to a similary ranked school that gave me more $$ (BU)

so therefore seeing as how i didnt even pay attention to how much $ i was getting, i dont know how im gonna even survive law school

im done now


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Man admits foot-fetish assaults on subway

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A 23-year-old with a foot fetish has admitted he tried to kiss, fondle and lick the legs and toes of more than 70 women on the New York subway over the last three years, prosecutors said on Wednesday.


In a handwritten confession to police released by the Manhattan district attorney's office, Joseph Weir said his aim was "to make them laugh and smile and open to talk to me."

Weir, who was arrested late last week after attacking a woman on a subway in lower Manhattan, is charged with forcible touching, sex abuse and unlawful imprisonment -- the latter charge referring to his habit of grabbing his victims' legs and not letting go.

He faces up to a year in jail if convicted and has been released on $6,000 bail until a court hearing on June 26.

In a rambling confession peppered with grammatical errors, Weir, who lives in Brooklyn, detailed how he accosted the women while riding the subways between Manhattan and the borough of Queens.

"I get on my knees, bow, grab their feet, kiss them. I grab their hand and tell them 'You're so beautiful. I'm not worthy,'" he wrote. "I do not give me real name. If they ask I will tell them my name is Anthony, Jason or Careem."

Weir said his motivation was to get to know the women, but he recalled that often they would move away when he tried to "taste and touch them."

"Some women had kick(ed) me and screamed," he wrote. "I've done this to about 70 women, mostly black."

Prosecutors said dozens of women had started to come forward to identify Weir, who told detectives in his confession that he lived with his parents and two sisters.

"I am currently unemployed," he wrote, adding that he had been fired from his previous job with a sightseeing company.

In his confession, Weir apologized to his victims, saying: "I don't mean to hurt no body and I am sorry."



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General Off-Topic Board / who was your first celebrity crush?
« on: May 11, 2006, 02:51:54 AM »
good idea stan

mine was zach morris

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