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On the most recent California Bar the overall pass rate was 34%.  Online and correspondence stacked up pretty well at 18% and 26% equivalent to fixed facility non ABA schools (accredited 18% and unaccredited 25%). If the trend continues that means distance learning is finally the equivalent of a non ABA fixed facility law school, a major development in my opinion.


Law schools required to disclose attrition rates

By Laura Ernde
Staff Writer

Unaccredited law schools in California will be required to report student attrition rates under a new rule approved last month by the State Bar Board of Trustees.

The State Bar’s Committee of Bar Examiners proposed the rule to provide greater transparency and effective disclosures to students. It will go into effect June 1. The committee oversees registered, unaccredited law schools in the state and accredited law schools in California that are not approved by the American Bar Association.

Unaccredited schools were already required to disclose in writing to current and prospective students a number of things including bar exam passage rates once a year, before the student pays tuition.

Now, students will be notified in writing of the school’s attrition rates for the past five years. A Los Angeles Times report last year found that about 85 percent of students at unaccredited schools don’t finish their studies.

Trustee Miriam Krinsky said the proposal will increase transparency.

“Consumers are entitled to know what the product is they’re purchasing,” she said.

Deans at several unaccredited schools said the high dropout rates do not tell the full story. Most students that go to unaccredited schools are working adults who may decide for various reasons not to continue their law studies.

“They typically have significant responsibilities outside school, such as families, careers, aging parents, etc.,” Northwestern California University School of Law Dean Michael P. Clancey said in a letter to the committee. “For many of them, life simply gets in the way of their plans for the study of law.”

Good refund policies are a better way to deal with high attrition rates, he said.

Trustee Brandon Stallings, who cast the lone vote against the proposal, said unaccredited schools provide opportunities in underserved areas of the state and expressed concern that the same disclosures are not required for California-accredited law schools.

The board requested that the committee study whether California-accredited law schools should also be required to disclose attrition rates.

Online Law Schools / Online PhD or LLD in Law
« on: March 24, 2016, 04:36:42 PM »
Anyone know of any online PhD or LLD in law besides UNISA or Leiden?

Online Law Schools / ALU
« on: December 06, 2014, 06:46:33 PM »
ALU makes a big claim it is  a "nationally accredited distance education program for the Juris Doctor degree."

But when you read the "fine print" turns out they are talking about DETC.

Is DETC really the equivalent of regional accreditation?

Taft is also DETC and I have been able to have it recognized by SAQA and regionally accredited universities.

Online Law Schools / California Bar official position on NOVUS
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:43:43 AM »
Dear     :

We regret to inform you that Novus Law School does not have degree-granting authority from any recognized U.S. educational entity, nor does attending Novus allow anyone to sit for any bar exam in the United States. 

A listing of schools, including online law schools, that are recognized by the State Bar of California may be found on our website at  Requirements to sit for the bar exam in California may be found at

Best Regards,

Office of Admissions

The State Bar of California | 180 Howard Street | San Francisco, CA  94105

(415) 538-2300 |


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Online Law Schools / July 2013 Bar Exam Results
« on: January 28, 2014, 05:33:18 AM »
Overall Passrates

CA Unaccredited 
Law Office/Judges’ Chambers
Foreign Educated/JD Equivalent + One Year US Education
Foreign Attorneys Taking the General Bar Exam3

Online Law Schools / Practice of "Law" w/out a License
« on: January 16, 2014, 07:59:47 PM »
Given that a number of DL students won't pass the California Bar - there are actually a number of ways to use your JD and practice law without out a license.

1.  Social Security Advocate - they do the same job as an attorney and collect a similar fee; only difference is that SSA does not withhold their fee like it does for attorneys sometimes.

2.  Veterans Disability Advocate

3.  Tax Court (if you can qualify)

In England McKenzie Friends can collect fees:

Anyone know of any other examples?

Online Law Schools / The World laughs at US Law School System
« on: February 04, 2013, 06:09:06 AM »
Just like our stupid inches and gallons; the ABA stranglehold on the legal education system in the US is ridculed as just plain dumb:

The only ones getting rich are overpaid law professors who can't hold a job except maybe as POTUS.

Online Law Schools / Law Society Supports Alternative Routes to Licensure
« on: January 10, 2013, 03:52:13 PM »
Unlike the US in which we cling to the ABA, guns, Bibles, gallons and inches, The Law Society supports alternative ways to qualify as a lawyer:

Apprenticeship route to the legal profession

10 January 2013

We have welcomed the news that the government has backed an apprenticeship route to the legal profession. We support the development and recognition of alternative routes as long as the quality of new entrants to the profession is maintained at the current high level.

Law Society president Lucy Scott-Moncrieff said:

'The Society supports the development and recognition of alternative routes, which can achieve the same standard for qualification.

'Alternative routes of entry into the legal profession are essential in order to enable new entrants to gain qualification through a modularised and work-based learning approach, since the costs of education and training through graduate routes continue to rise. Equality, diversity and social mobility are fundamental factors for the future of the profession. There are many eminent, senior and successful solicitors currently in practice who did not go to university, and this informs our own thinking currently about the various ways in which it should be possible to qualify as a solicitor.'

She added:

'This shows that alternative routes to qualification need not, and must not, undermine the overarching priority that required standards must be consistent across all routes to qualification.'

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