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General Board / Feeling so depressed...
« on: November 28, 2011, 08:14:28 PM »
Hi all,

I've been feeling so depressed for the past year... I am a 2L. I am not so sure what is causing the depression, it could be schoolwork, or maybe because Im super lonley because Im away from my family and barely have any friends... I do know some people at school, but I don't really talk to them much. Some are just annoying. If they are nice, I avoid them anyways because I don't want to get too close to them. The materials I learn don't seem too bad, I understand most of the concepts fairly well, my grades are mediocre.

It's so strange because I have so many obssessive thoughts, like I think about what happened in the past over and over again. Like the girl I broke up with, some people who did bad things to me, or sometimes I feel super guilty because I feel like Im so self-centered. sometimes I get super angry and punch the wall and yell. I seem to think a lot about how there is no purpose in doing anything, like what I am gonna do if I get a law degree, like I literally have no plans or goals, I just want to finish law school and stay sane.

I sometimes can't sleep or wake up after sleeping like 3 hours. I remember playing lots of video games and sports as an undergrad, I now realize how fun those days were. Nowadays, even if i have time to do such things, I don't really enjoy it. Im like whatever...

I also have trust issues, probably got a lot worse since i got here. I cant seem to trust anybody. Like when someone approaches me, i feel like they are going to take advantage of me or something. I do think it's irrational for me to think this way, but thats just how i feel, what can I do.

Anyone has similar stories or how they overcame depression? or is this really depression? Do people start to feel better after they finish law school? maybe take a leave of absence? actually start earning money?

I really appreciate your kindness... thank you

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General Board / LS = figuring out your professor???
« on: June 17, 2010, 08:53:06 PM »
You can know the law and still fail the exam if you don't know what your professor wants.
If you know SOME law and know what your professor wants, you can ace the exams.
So, is law school about knowing SOME law and knowing your professor REALLY WELL?

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General Board / Someone please help
« on: February 04, 2010, 02:41:24 AM »
Here is my situation: our school (2nd tier private school) has a grading policy that requires professors to give out C- or below to 8~12 percent of 1st year students. I see this is not the case with some schools(some schools dont require professors to give out any C-'s) Students at my school have better LSAT scores and GPA's(median is 3.5/163) than some of the other lower ranked school that has 0 attrition(no one was dismissed from these schools for academic reasons) whereas other schools(like mine) are highly ranked and have better students, but due to academic policy, many students fail out or leave school on their own. Can you explain why this is so? Does this mean if a student who dropped out from my school went to those schools without any attrition, he would have passed? Why would schools like U of North Dakota or U of Kansas (no offense to student at these schools) have 0 percent academic attrition and our schools has like 40 students dropping out every year? This seems so unfair, esepecially given that students at my school pay so much more money and have better stats .

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Law school is hard for everyone, that is an obvious point. But I personally feel very worried about failing out(as we all know private schools that are not top 30 do have some attrition, the number going up as the ranking goes down) and this adds a LOT more stress. Do any of you ever feel stressed about this? Also, do you think it is a better(safer) strategy for a person like me to have gone to a public school where they have almost no attrition? I realized there were some schools(like university of utah, SUNY buffalo) that are not very high ranked but have decent tuition and almost 0 percent attrition rate. Also, let's say I am at the bottom 5 percent at a top 50 private law school and due to the curve, I am academically disqualified. Does this mean if I have gone to a school where there is no student failing out, I am likely to pass? I would really appreciate any thoughtful insight from law students or lawyers who know about these matters. Thanks in advance.

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Studying and Exam Taking / What does a model answer look like?
« on: November 09, 2009, 01:42:43 PM »
 Just got back my midterm and I was really disappointed about how bad I did on it. I still do not understand why. I feel like I still dont know what exactly my teacher wanted to see. Since it was only an hour long test, I was very pressured and probably wrote very wordy because I felt like I had to write something down. My question to you who did well in your first year is, what does a model answer look like? Do you have to IRAC every essay question? How long do you have to write for each part of the IRAC process? Would one or two sentences for rule be enough? I am so clueless. Please help me out. Thanks for any advice in advance.
p.s. I just feel like the amount of info I have to study is so overwhelming, but I also realize you can only write so much in one hour, so there has to be somethings the teacher really wanted to see, which means we didnt really have to memorize everything we learned or read. I just dont know what those are...

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General Board / questions for 2Ls and 3Ls
« on: October 01, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »
I just have few questions for those of you who successfully passed your first year

1. Is briefing on your own/reading every case from casebooks necessary? I have been using the commercial outline
for a while, and they seem to contain every information I need to understand the cases.

2. I am very behind in almost every class I am taking because I read really slow. However, when I look at the outline
and supplement materials, I still do understand why things are the way they are. What troubles me is that I sometimes
have no idea whats happening while I'm in class because I didn't do my reading. Is attending every class really necessary to learn the law?

3. Also, I looked at some of the old exams and model answers. It seems like as long as I study on my own(but not necessarily always keep up with demanding reading load) and understand the law, I believe I will be able to produce a reasonable good answer on the exams that look similar to the model ones I've seen. I think supplements are very helpful, if not essential to my studying. To be honest, I think casebooks are unnecessarily confusing and worded in a difficult way/ contain extra information that really isn't the law etc.

I would really appreciate any 2L or 3L's opinions on these. Am I just wrong about the way I think? or can I still manage to pass all my courses with what I am doing right now.

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General Board / Should I get a commercial outline?
« on: September 17, 2009, 10:55:54 PM »
so it's been about 3 weeks since law school started. For the past 3 weeks, I spent most of my time studying the casebooks for each class. In the beginning, I kind of wanted to buy the commercial outlines at the bookstore, but then my mentor told me that I don't need those until I am through like half of the semester. Many of my classmates also told me that they don't really use outlines and advised me to just focus on reading casebooks, which I did for the past three weeks. My law school experience so far has been very bad because I often felt very confused about the material we are learning or I would simply not remember all the necessary facts from a particular case. I was feeling very depressed about how I was the only one not understanding anything in class. Then I bought this commercial outline for my contracts class about 4 days ago and I didn't read anything else but that book since then. I thought learning through this outline was so much more helpful than reading the casebook, which had so much dense information worded in a difficult way to read. It seemed like I spent a lot less time studying this way and I still got more out of this outline than what I did by reading casebooks. So my question is, was my mentor wrong? Should I buy outlines for other classes too? If there are any 2Ls or 3Ls, please tell me what you did in your first year. I am just so clueless as to what I should do to pass law school.  :'( Thanks in advance.

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General Board / NOT going to class
« on: September 08, 2009, 11:25:21 PM »
can you still pass all of your classes during ur first year even if u dont go to them?
I find most of my classes very disorganized and unhelpful. It seems like we are constantly
just talking about random hypotheticals that doesnt really relate to what we learn from the book.

To put it briefly, I dont think i am getting ANYTHING out of my classes and even some things I do get, I seem to forget very quickly (or could have learned the same thing by reading casebook myself)
So, is it possible to pass your final exams without going to class?
Has anyone done this as 1L? Any input would be appreciated.

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Socratic Method / What is THE WORST that could happen?
« on: August 26, 2009, 01:43:03 PM »
Hi. As I introduced myself in the thread I posted earlier, I am an international student who speaks English as my second langauge. I'm just wondering what could be the worst case scenario (I know I'm being masochistic here :'(). What were some of the worst things you have seen happen when students were called on? Has anyone seen someone who just completely blank? because that's what I assume will happen to me. I have a really mean contract professor who's infamous among the 1Ls. My verbal skills are just not up there with everyone else. God, I'm hating this class so much...

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General Board / International student seeking advice
« on: August 21, 2009, 10:21:21 PM »
 Hello. I just started my first year at law school couple days ago and I found the classes very intimidating.(Especially when professors started calling on people to ask a bunch of questions, I totally panicked) Despite how many of my classmates expressed the same concern when I talked to them, they seemed to do pretty well when they were called on. To be honest, I am not a good speaker at all. Given that I am an international student, I am actually a pretty bad spearker. (I have an accent, I'm very slow when I talk or respond to other peoples' comments or questions, and  often blank) I do think my daily conversational skills are ok, but when I have to describe something complex, thats when I just blank and often feel like an idiot unless I prepare for it for a long time beforehand. On the other hand, I do reasonably well with reading and writing things. I do love reading difficult passages and writing out my thoughts on essays. I scored 161 on the LSAT, which is not a horrible score for someone who speaks english as his second language.
The Socratic method scared the hell out of me and I just couldn't focus on what the professor was saying because I was worried about being called on. I'm just wondering if this is common in law school or if there are any thing that I could do to survive law school. Please give me some constructive advice on this. I would really appreciate it if someone who has been thru their first year tell me what I could do. Thanks.

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