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Job Search / How often do Tier 4 lawstudents land 2L summer associate gigs?
« on: September 07, 2008, 03:20:55 PM »
Hello everyone,

I have been researching the question above and I cannot
seem to find much data.

I am a tier 4 student in my second year with median grades, lots of extra curic's but no law review or moot court, and my 1L summer I worked as a clerk at a small law office. I am in so cal and my school enjoys a strong regional rep.

I know my chances at landing a 2L summer associate position is slim.

I am really looking for success stories or feedback regarding how slim my chances really are.

If I don't land a 2L SA position, what should or could I do with my 2L summer? I really could use some income.

Thank you for your time,

Job Search / Jobs for 2L's
« on: August 19, 2008, 04:32:34 PM »
As I am preparing to begin my 2L year, I am really hurting financially. I know all grad students hurt, but due to unexpected medical bills that arose this summer, I am hurting bad.

I have had a tough time trying to find legal part time gigs as no one seems to be hiring in this economy.

I was wondering what some of your fellow 2L's did for work during there second year to make some cash?

How many 2L's actually work during there second year?

I am willing to consider non-law related jobs at this point.

Any tips or advice is appreciated.

Job Search / General questions regarding securing employment
« on: July 02, 2008, 06:15:03 PM »
I am currently working with this solo and he is a feminine hygiene product and is the atypical lawyer that people make jokes about. He is pompous, rude, and unfriendly and just cares about the dollar. And boy is he cheap!

Nevertheless, I am trying to not let that effect my experience.

I have a couple questions that maybe someone can address. 

I. As an incoming 2L, what is the process to begin looking for permanent employment?

II. When can a incoming 2L begin applying for permenant employment and how would one go about asking firms and offices if they are hiring? Via email or conventional letter?

III. When someone says permenant employment, is that strictly referring to summer associate positions? If not, what other type of permenant employment is there?

Thanks guys for the helpful info as always.

Job Search / Working For a Solo
« on: June 22, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
I attend a T4 and this summer I landed a job working for a solo as a legal clerk. The pay is $11 an hour which isnt much, but I actually feel lucky because alot of my friends with better grades had to take non-legal jobs paying less. The job is unlikely to lead to perm. employment as its a small office with 2 solos working there but I feel fortunate getting some form of income AND gaining legal experience.

Even though the work is not the most intellectually stimulating, I am learning how a law office operates and witnessing life as a lawyer first hand IE. the hours, the stress, and the rewards. I am also gaining experience with legal software which appears to be necessities for many legal jobs, IE. abacus, word perfect, legal solutions.

My question is will such work experience look good on my resume for OCI or even when I pursue 2L employment? I realize my options coming from a T4 are limited so I am not seeking a big law gig. Will this experience illustrate to potential employers that I have some legal experience and perhaps put me at some advantage compared to my peers?

Thanks in advance, hope everyone is having a good summer. 

Job Search / Value of a Clinical Externship
« on: March 11, 2008, 10:05:39 PM »
I have been offered a clinical externship .. My question is, what is the value of such a position? Will this position help me secure future legal work? Does it look good on a resume? This position will require me to work about 25 hours a week, its unpaid, but I do get school credit. The externship only accepts 5 students per semester.

I really would like a paid position however, but I have had no luck so far securing such a position and this externship will be done in the summer. I am a 1L btw. Should I accept the externship or hold out for paid legal office or firm work which is not guaranteed?

Any response is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time,


So yeah, I have this thing in 2 hours. It feels like I am going in blindfolded as there was nothing to study and they will be testing us on briefing cases and writing.

Anyone else have a weird final like this? I should be drunk already after my last REAL final. Cheers to all who finish there finals today!!!   :D

Hello everyone,

Goodluck to all those studying and getting ready for finals. I have my civpro final in 5 days and finally things are starting to click except for that god forsaken erie doctrine.

Does anyone have any tips, resources, suggestions, with the erie doctrine? I am not looking to supplements this far into the game, but I just was looking for some clear answers for one, in a fact pattern, when should I realize that I have an erie question on my hand? Also, perhaps some black letter rules for erie that are the most important. Thanks in advance, sorry if this was incoherent, I am studying for a different class.

Current Law Students / Length of your outlines
« on: November 18, 2007, 04:42:35 PM »
My Outlines have been running a bit longer than expected. Civpro at 49 pages, Torts at 36, and Contracts at 41. Is this normal?

Should I go out of my way to minimize the length? Everything in them seems important to me.   ???

What is the average length of your outlines? TIA

Current Law Students / Subject matter Jurisdiction Question
« on: November 10, 2007, 08:46:11 PM »
I am having a huge brain fart.

Does Subject matter Jurisdiction require both Diversity of Citizenship and a Federal Question or only one?

A quick response would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance everyone, This is my first post.  :)

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