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Non-Traditional Students / Re: How long will the bad grades affect me?
« on: March 21, 2006, 04:45:13 PM »
Quite honestly, how your grades are looked at (no matter how far down the line you've been out of undergrad) also depends on the school you apply to. There is a school here in Chicago which is tier 4 (John Marshall), and while it produces alot of Circuit Judges, isn't quite up to par with the rest of the city's law schools.

John Marshall used to be the magnet law school for the "non-trad" student and the student who may not have set the world on fire in undergrad, but still wanted to pursue law. 5 years ago their median LSAT was a 145 and the median GPA was a 2.5. Their whole marketing gimmick was toward the student who wanted a second chance.

Now, John Marshall is working to bring themselves up in the rankings, and while it's still Tier 4 as of today, it's actually become QUITE competitive, and I know personally know people who've gotten into Kent (a much better school) and gotten rejected from JM. In other words, JM is all about the better rankings and raking in that application fee and less about admitting the type of student it once catered to. (Not saying that is either bad or good- merely making a point)

My point is when you go to apply to schools, really highlight your attributes, but be aware (and I am sure you are) that law schools are extremely competitive (even the Tier 4s), more so now than ever, and that unfortunately, no matter how far removed you are from undergrad, unless your LSAT was spectacular, the grades still may matter. And I know, that's stinks. I know a thing or 2 about making stupid mistakes as an undergrad which have haunted me to this day! (and I am 31)

Best of luck to you!

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Pre-Law in high school / Re: Paralegal vs. Lawyer
« on: March 07, 2006, 11:20:26 AM »
As the previous poster stated, there can be a huge difference between "legal assistant" and paralegal". This difference depends on the size of the firm, type of firm, and type of law.

At my firm, the legal assistants are pretty much administrative assistants; they have no "real" legal knowledge and they are there to be utilized mainly for clerical duties.

The paralegals at my firm do a lot more, and have use of the legal assistants for their clerical duties. The paralegals at my firm are also required to have college degrees and a post-bachelor's certificate from a ABA school. Quite frankly, I can't really tell the difference between the lawyers and paralegals (with the obvious exceptions of not being able to obtain and represent clients and set fees).  Our paralegals draft motions and complaints, work as a liason between the lawyer and clients, do legal research and assist in trial and litigation issues. And they are responsible for their work.

2 things to address:

While lawyers do make significantly more- as one of the lawyers here told me "It's a draw"- unless you are not taking out any student loans for law school, you will be in debt for a good portion of your legal career. People tend to forget that and get caught up in the large salaries.

Also, paralegals can be highly paid, and in some cases, more than many attorneys. In the midst of my law school application journey, I was sent careerbuilder.com listing from lawyers about paralegal salaries- and I couldn't believe what some paralegals were making. Well into the upper 70's on up depending on your field (IP and Real Estate paralegals bring in the biggest salaries)

Keep in mind (and again, I reference this from my current job at a law firm) the market is currently flooded with attorneys. Many law firms are looking to cut costs by replacing attorneys with certified paralegals. In California there is pending legislation about licensing paralegals due to their expanding duties.

Ultimately, you have to pursue whatever your dream is. I still plan on pursuing my dream of law school, but if need be, being a paralegal is perfectly acceptable for me in the interim.

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Studying for the LSAT / Hey June 2005 LSAT takers....
« on: September 29, 2005, 12:21:05 PM »
It's been a while since i've logged on here...

If anyone is here from the June LSAT and if you are taking the retaking LSAT this Saturday good luck guys!! :) I am sure you guys will all do great! Actually good luck to everyone this weekend!

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Law School Applications / Re: Should i even bother now?
« on: July 06, 2005, 01:07:05 PM »
You never know who you're going to be dealing with.  At Penn State, the president of the university spends freshman move-in day helping students move boxes into their dorm rooms.  And on football weekends he sits in with one of the local bands at a downtown bar.  But I think he at least has a secretary to answer the phone in his office :)

I should have known when I called..I sent him a follow-up email today to thank him for our conversation, so hopefully that will leave a good impression..

And I agree with you about the secretary-- though, if you knew what school this was, you may not be surprised!! :) The only reason I want to go here is because I want to stay in Chicago..

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Law School Applications / Re: Should i even bother now?
« on: July 06, 2005, 09:34:45 AM »
and I work at a law firm..i don't think the attorneys want to be reminded of the LSAT. :) 


DAMN GIRL, U BETTER TELL THEM LAWYERS TO PISS OFF, U NEED TO STUDY..AT LEAST DO ONLINE TESTS


uh, sure....

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Law School Applications / Re: Should i even bother now?
« on: July 05, 2005, 04:13:34 PM »
and I work at a law firm..i don't think the attorneys want to be reminded of the LSAT. :) 

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Law School Applications / Re: Should i even bother now?
« on: July 05, 2005, 04:11:29 PM »
I hope..I told my friend (who is a 3L there) and he was pretty upset by the fact that this person put me on the spot..Oh well... Maybe it did help.

you should really get off this board and go study for the LSAT. We're all pulling for you here, but you gotta put in the time if you want to raise your score.


I appreciate your support- but I am at work, and unfortunately I cannot study at work (yes, I even asked my boss)..They don't care if I am online (go figure), but they don't want me reading books at my desk..So that is why I am online from the 9-5 hours. I do most of my studying after 6pm..

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Law School Applications / Re: Should i even bother now?
« on: July 05, 2005, 01:47:18 PM »
I hope..I told my friend (who is a 3L there) and he was pretty upset by the fact that this person put me on the spot..Oh well... Maybe it did help.

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Law School Applications / Re: Should i even bother now?
« on: July 05, 2005, 12:27:24 PM »
If anything this is a good thing.  At the very least you made the dean aware of who you are in a neutral way.  That is usually good.  The more they know about you, hear your voice, etc. the more you are like a person and not just a bunch of numbers.  That is ALMOST ALWAYS a good thing.

Yes, but I felt like i was so inarticulate... I even had to put him on hold TWICE (phone kept ringing)... Oh well, I said I wouldn't go down without a fight... I was just not in inteview mode, if that makes sense...

I am sure I made an "impression"...Whether that is good or bad is yet to be seen...

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Law School Applications / Should i even bother now?
« on: July 05, 2005, 12:18:54 PM »
I had to make a call to check on a change in an application fee for a school I am applying to... long story short, since I was rejected by this school before and I wanted to know the exact reasons (i knew, but I wanted to hear it from them)..So I asked, and the gentleman who answered the phone looked up my file (I assumed it was an admissions assistant), and started asking me pointed questions-- almost like an interview.. I was caught so off-guard, and I even said, "I wasn't prepared to have this long of a conversation (I am at work)" Well, it turns out it was the DEAN of admissions (why he was answering the phones, I don't know)..

I felt like I kind of babbled, saying things like "I want this, I KNOW I can do this- I have the drive, yada, yada, yada" He said he was going to look up my file and get back to me (who knows)...

I feel so stupid because 1.)I had no idea I would be talking to the dean directly, and 2.)felt like I groveled... He seemed very nice on the phone- I got no "vibe" from him either way..

Should I even bother re-applying now? He "knows" who I am...


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