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Canadian Law Students / Re: U of T for a future career in Vancouver?
« on: April 29, 2007, 08:59:12 AM »
I was largely being sarcastic myself; on the LSAT point. My apologies.I am still recovering from my Contracts exam  :'(

Seriously in my opinion (as a student at UofT) if you're a good law student you'll break into the West Coast market regardless of which (Canadian-the U.S dynamics are somewhat different) school you go to (i.e. UBC vs. UofT vs. UVic). The tightness in the market is generally those of us on the cusp, not those on top (though much of the process seems to be based on matters fit, not numbers).

UofT does have the advantage of a well funded, well staffed careers office one can take advantage of; from what I understand its funding (for obvious reasons) is raher more generous then elsewhere.

It simply is more difficult to work in Canada if you go to school in the U.S; the NCA process simply assures this. The problem is not that the process is hard, the problem is if you graduate from a well ranked U.S school (and you can certainly get in somewhere at least as good as UofT) the opportunity costs of the NCA process are extremely high-as much as hundreds of thousands of dollars of foregone wages. One hopes over time LSUC will get off its ass and make international transfers easier, especially since it's possible to practice with little delay in the Northeastern U.S at this point (immigration issues aside).

Canadian Law Students / Re: U of T for a future career in Vancouver?
« on: April 28, 2007, 04:45:13 PM »
Was this a silly attempt to mention your LSAT score?

Yes if you go to UofT, and article in Toronto and then move back West; salaries are generally lower outside of Toronto, that's simply how the industry is. UofT is a fine school. If you want to work in Canada I think it's generally better to go to a Canadian school.

The OP could of course go to the Castle. More importantly the opportunity to go to England to be lawyer is just that; to be a lawyer in England. Going to Queen's for free opens up more opportunities; the opportunity to study a range of subjects, to go into graduate work, to work as a lawyer in North America without worrying about NCAs etc. Also if the median age of Canadian law hires is about 27-28 (from observing the age of my classmates) it suggests a 23 year old applicant (assuming one extra year forced into law school) may be at a disadvantage.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Lower LSAT scores in Canadian Law schools
« on: April 17, 2007, 08:34:55 PM »
The main reason is probably that Canadian undergraduate institutions while not certainly not without their differences, are not nearly as variable as American institutions (it is not a "level playing field" certainly but it is still far less differentiated), making GPA a more reliable indicator. This means Canadian law school admissions can be less reliant on tests.

Similarly because the Canadian law school market is regionalized and less differentiated in of itself there is less of a need to create the same intense hierarchy of admissions.

Go to Queen's.

First as a Queen's alumni I have to agree-it's a fine school, you'll have a blast and of course you're going for free.

Secondly I think it is unwise to try to finish off your schooling so quickly; most of my classmates are older then me and many have graduate and work experience, you certainly gain no advantage from beginning early.

And of course if you do well enough at Queen's you could get into a whole rsnge of top tier law schools in the U.S, or study in Canada, and of course if you want to work in Canada it may be best to study in Canada.

Finally with all the tuition you save you can study at the Castle, getting Queen's credits and having fun in Europe.

And a word of advice: take what you want. Queen's English does mark hard, but it's best to do what you like. Certainly if you do the work you can get As in English, or any other subject.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Why should I go to an American school?
« on: April 16, 2007, 07:36:06 PM »
I suspect that UofT grads who write the New York Bar tend to pass it since UofT admission standards are substantially higher then those of non-ABA accreditted Law Schools (i.e. 3.7/166). More importantly from the numbers I've seen to 20-odd UofT students who go to New York (around 10% of the class- and there are only 500-600 LS grads in Osgoode and Toronto combined) they are not people who would be likely to fail (they have B+ averages in a place not known for grade inflation).

All this being said if one wants to practice in the U.S, one should study in the U.S. If one wants to practice in Canada and might consider working on the East Coast it would make more sense to study in Canada where U.S firms recruit but where can have access to the full array of Canadian jobs. This is especially the case if one wants certain government jobs: a bilingual student who could get into a T-14 U.S school probably has a better chance of getting a really sweet clerking deal in Canada then the U.S, simply because the competition in Canada is slightly less ridiculous in that regard.

Also the opportunity cost involved in doing the NCA process seems really high.

Canadian Law Students / Re: graduate stats for U of T and UBC?
« on: December 02, 2005, 12:53:58 PM »

You can look at:

and they have other stats on the career services section of
their website.

The Canadian law school "market" is actually less tiered-the distance between schools in terms of quality is not that huge, though Toronto is generally considered the best (and its admissions cutoffs, at least numberswise is a step above other schools). I'd argue it matters less in Canada where one goes than in the U.S.

1st year associates in big firms make over 80k a year (Canadian) in Toronto, less elsewhere. Certainly for the big money it's the U.S, though U.S firms recruit in Canada.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Breaking out of the mid 160's
« on: November 07, 2005, 02:04:57 AM »
My suggestion-work on perfecting Games and LR, and just make sure you get over 80% on RC consistently. Games and LR are the ones most possible to get perfect on (especially games). If you can get over 90% on Games and LR consistenly you'll get in the upper 160s, and given the trends-easier Games, harder RC, that may the best way. Just make sure to practice enough RC so your performance is kept up. But my scores stayed over 165 only once I started getting only 1-2 wrong/LG section.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Queen's/McGill reputation and other questions
« on: October 23, 2005, 04:13:48 PM »
How bad can a GPA be if one is in grad school? I would think graduate degrees in engineering would be a competative program.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: For you 170 scorers
« on: October 19, 2005, 09:05:46 AM »
To get 170+...

Find answer keys (makes Kaplan almost worth it IMO) because through answer keys you can learn the wrong answer traps in LR and RC, and I found having game answers spelled out for me after I got them wrong (it was LG that was tricky for me) made them far clearer. I went through answer keys for every preptest I did, and that sure made my life easier on the day of the test.

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