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You a PA resident? NJ? If yes, shoot to transfer to temple or camden, depending on residency. You'll want to keep your debt as low as possible.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Realistic Assessment
« on: October 18, 2009, 08:39:56 AM »
I'd toss in 'Nova. A free ride at 'Nova or Temple might look really good to you in this economy, especially if you're bound for practice in Philly.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: schedule and missing class
« on: August 07, 2009, 03:08:27 PM »
ABA requires a minimum 80% attendance. Some enforce; some do not. Some schools and some professor have even tougher reqs.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Temple Law School?
« on: July 26, 2009, 05:27:30 AM »
Temple has a great rep locally, especially in Philly itself. Your parents move to NJ is the only thing that might make PA domicile possible [cause then are you really still domiciled in MD?], otherwise you need a showing of intent to remain (like the purchase of a home instate, a spouse's obtaining employment instate]. The move might also allow a claiming of NJ residency, which is good, because both Rutger's campuses are good regional schools.

Your decision, though, will be affected by your LSAT score. Something in the mid-160s will get you tons of money at one or more of these regional schools (T40-T80). And, one of those schools will likely be a better choice than scrambling for a spot a top school, because then you'll likely have to pay full price. If you score in the high 150s or low 160s, then your best bet may be a public school where you can get instate tuition. If you rock the test, you'll have your pick, but I'd probably choose scholarship money over prestige even then.

You might get into one T50, but you'll get into many T100s, and you'll get money from a third tiers and a couple T100s.

In NYC area, St. John's is a possible, and NYLS and CUNY are definites. If you swing left and are interested in public interest work, CUNY is a very good option.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Temple Law School?
« on: July 25, 2009, 06:14:15 PM »
Not to knock Temple, but it really isn't a good deal unless you have in-state.

I'd look hard at your in-state school instead.

It really isn't worth it to take on $150-180K in debt outside a dozen or so top law schools.

I agree to some extent. Sound like the OP might be domiciled in MD. If she can get into UMD, she should go over Temple [or any other full price option]. I can't imagine, though, being any where near 150K in debt coming out of Temple, even if one were out-of-state.

Anyhoo, if one's best option looks like it'll cost over 100K, she still might want to take it, if she plans a career in the public interest. The Act [that went into effect this month] reduces payments significantly, softening the blow for those with large amounts of debt.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Temple Law School?
« on: July 22, 2009, 08:30:24 PM »
Temple: B.A. 02; J.D. 09 here.

Law School is generally a rough experience, but the professors and my fellow students at Temple made it worthwhile. If you're instate and get in, it should be your #1 choice, unless you get into a much better school (T20).

The professors in LRW, Intl Law, Health Law, and Trial Ad are well known and respected at Temple, but we have some real gems in other areas, especially Little (Fed Cts, Conflicts), Hoffman (Corps, Law and Econ), Mikochik (1st Amend), and Angel (Employment, Labor).

The experience was much better than I think I'd have had at another school -- cheaper, bright folks, lots more interest in public interest work (Maureen Olives heads), and tons of effort to get folks jobs.

Temple does make a solid effort to prep folks for the bar (offering free Saturday prep from BarBri in one's last semester). Look for a course from Dale Larrimore in PA CivPro (take in 3L); Dale is successful PI atty in Philly and current or former President of PA BarBri. That guy has EXCELLENT insight into how to prepare for the bar.

Job Search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: July 10, 2009, 07:50:23 AM »
In the same boat as the OP here -- still looking. And studying for the bar with this crap hanging over my head is simply no fun. My grades are dead center, no law review or moot court. I have 10 years of business and writing experience (usually a downside, not an up), and I did co-author an article.

Anyhoo, I've applied for virtually EVERY open legal gig within commuting distance since I arrived in my market 8 weeks ago (which means, like, a dozen). No interviews even granted. My hurdle, unfortunately, is that I'm trying to get a gig in the midwest with a JD from a regional East Coast school. Yes, try getting hired in Des Moines with a degree from Temple. No fun.

Networking. I stay well-connected with the folks I interned with last summer (in the midwest), but they're a close-knit community, and there's NO work in that practice area right now. I guess there's more networking to do, and I need to get on top of it. Think that's likely my only hope.

Current Law Students / Re: Are study groups worth the trouble?
« on: July 08, 2009, 06:30:25 AM »
I think study GROUPS are a waste of time (often), though I think getting a study partner can be helpful.

For first year, a study partner and I drafted an outline for each class together, based on our briefs and class notes. We'd develop a skeleton outline from the table of contents, then discuss each case--coming to a consensus on a clear simple rule of law (if possible). This process would take one to two days for each substantive class.

Then, we'd read a practice exam or two to make certain we could spot the issues.

The above works if you find someone with a personality that complements yours and a similar level of brainpower. You MAY be able to add a third, though a fourth or a fifth would really muck up the process. The two of us ended the first year with similar, respectable GPAs.

The above is also good b/c one need not get super-intense about studying for exams until about 10 days before the first one to pull it off.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Advice
« on: July 07, 2009, 06:28:30 AM »
I agree with blue on this. It seems that the difficulty you face stems from accuracy, rather than timing.

One could conceivably score much higher than 140-142 by slowing down and aiming to answer only 75% of the total answers, for example.

I would recommend that you stop doing timed practice tests and focus purely on improving your performance on each and every question type. Do this untimed. Come back when you're answering 95-100% of the answers correctly in this manner.


No need to even reach 95% in accuracy. Slow down for each question. Take as long as you need to get it correct, and if you get it wrong, read to understand why. Over time, you may see that there are question types, for example, that you shouldn't even be bothering with, because they take to long -- or you always get them wrong. Once you get comfortable with 6/8 of the question types, working on spotting those w/in practice tests and reducing your time spent on each.

I, for example, couldn't seem to get ANY games questions correct, no matter how many study methods / approaches I tried. [I probably have some sort of processing issue that makes it impossible.] I still scored 159, which was good enough to get me into a decent law school.I just focused on getting better at LR questions.

Just slow down, focus on developing strength areas not weakness areas. Once identified, speed up on those strength areas.

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