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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Brooklyn Law
« on: March 08, 2004, 05:30:13 PM »
Congrats Abmarz!  I think you are definitely in.  I know two people who were in similar situations last year with slightly lower GPAs and they're in the evening program as we speak.  I think you'll love the school.  I am a huge fan of the neighborhood.  Congrats again.  From your posts you seem to be doing pretty well this admissions season.

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Law School Applications / Re: "personal experience"
« on: February 24, 2004, 05:11:47 PM »
the personal attacks are gross all of you.

NONE of you know me, my ethnicity, or my opinion on afirm. action.  Melissa...i never called YOU a liar...only that something you said sounds untrue..I never asked you or anyone esle to justify it...***TAKE THIS BACK..I RE-READ MY FIRST POST AND I DID SAY THAT IF YOU HAD EVIDENCE I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING IT**** but I meant to merely gave my opinion on a fact you stated NOT to call you a liar.

I will state my opinion again and that is: the fact that ANYONE BLACK/WHITE or in between KNOWS for a fact, that the ONLY reason you were passed up for a job was because of their race is hard to believe.

I will not continue on this subject because the back and forth has become extremely immature. 

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Law School Applications / Re: "personal experience"
« on: February 24, 2004, 02:15:29 AM »
Well NYUGrad,

You’ll note, I never asked for proof of your statement.  I merely mentioned that stating what you did, which I believe was justification for your frustration, brought your entire post in question because it seems like a lie. 

Since you have decided to offer “proof,” I will show you why ANY reasonably prudent person would seriously question the validity of your statement.

According to you, a company that was so conscious about its hiring practices that it hired an under qualified minority instead of you to AVOID legal repercussions, not only told you that you didn’t get the job because you were not a minority but also gave you the physical evidence reiterating that point.  Wow, they must be real dummies there, huh.

I’m sorry Melissa, it doesn’t sound all true and only works to weaken your argument, which for the most part I found to be compelling but unoriginal and the classic tale of the only class of people more victimized than minorities, the lower-middle class majority.

And still, I have not attacked you (as you have attacked me) or your opinion on affirmative action.  I challenged ONE statement in your argument that works against its point.  Untruths or APPARENT untruths counteract the rest of the argument.  So IF there is a “large NYC Corporation” out there that is as stupid as you say, you should realize that very few people would actually believe it and go on to make an argument without that fact.

Last thing, of course you don’t give a sh*t what someone else thinks about what you have to say.  I would argue that your unwillingness to see that someone else might have an opinion that challenges your sense of reality displays the very sheltered attitude you accuse me of possessing.

Lastly in responce to your assertion of my being sheltered:  I grew up in the 70s in the South.  Right around the time you were being born and Reagan ushered in one of the worst financial periods for middle class in history, I began H.S in PA.  I lived through a time where when an injustice was done, we did something about it, riot, picket, protest, sue.  You burned a few bridges if it meant your children could take the tunnel.  Perhaps that was because we didn’t have the benefit of sending anonymous emails to vent.  Who knows?  We live in a litigious society; it’s what separates us from the animals.  If you don’t get that, you should probably rethink law school.  Either way, you will do well to have someone with a different opinion in the classroom with you.  Maybe you’ll learn not to get so defensive when they bring up a point that counters yours. 

As an aside and I don’t know anything about your heritage just as you nothing about mine but unless there have been a bunch of teenage mothers in the person’s family…I would take off a few of those “greats” when referring to the olden days of Jim Crow and racism.

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Law School Applications / Re: "personal experience"
« on: February 22, 2004, 11:44:25 PM »
I had a hard time getting jobs because of "affirmative action", and the jobs were automatically given first to the minorities who applied, despite their qualifications, and my qualifications being higher than theirs.

As someone who has actively recruited and been recruited for professional positions, I have an extremely hard time believing this statement and would be interested in hearing some of the facts that support it.  Because it is illegal to set a quota or ask about racial affiliation in the application process, it is hard to detect and report problems with discrimination.  However as someone has already pointed out here, there have been studies that prove that the same resumes with ethnic names do not get called in for interviews as often as their counterparts with non-ethnic names.  This could prove that there is a general bias towards people of certain ethnicities or that the people in the study didn't think someone with a distinctly ethnic name could properly represent their firms.  You be the judge.  If you look at any information that gives you an ethnic breakdown of firms, you'll find that many have absolutely no Black/AA partners and proportionately low numbers of associates.  Let’s not begin to talk about the Asian Female or Latino populations.  Is this because the hiring partners are racists or they just haven't me the right applicants?  You will be hard pressed to prove the matter either way.

I will definitively say the following: Your qualifications only get you an interview with an employer.  Top employers recruit the top of the class regardless of sex and race.  Everyone that gets to meet with them has a 3.7-4.0 and top scores.  Everyone they meet with is qualified when it comes to the numbers.  It is the interview that gets you the job--period.  If you have a 4.0 and perfect scores but can't communicate why I should care or how that information translates into a success in my firm, I'm going to hire the person who can, even if they have a 3.7.

If you can prove or have serious evidence pointing to the fact that you did NOT get a job solely based on the color of your skin, you have cause to bring legal action against that employer.  If not, you are only weakening your argument against affirmative action by bringing in unsupported information.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Help someone off the waiting list
« on: February 22, 2004, 10:07:43 PM »
So you've been accepted to UCLA, USC, Loyola, Pepperdine, Southwestern, and Whittier all with full scholarships.  And while you're still trying to make your final decision, you know you wont go to Pepperdine for sure.  Give your spot back ASAP.  There are people on the waiting lists at EVERY school regardless of its ranking.  Those students want and need you to say thanks but no thanks.

Maybe that's a little dramatic but seriously, it's unethical to hold spots at schools that you KNOW you wont attend.  Let the schools know ASAP that you wont be joining them in the Fall so they can give the spot to someone else. 

Do your part for humanity and make some waiting student's day a little brighter.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: SoCal schools
« on: February 22, 2004, 09:44:48 PM »
sadly my sister was one.  With a respectable UGPA and not so hot LSATs, she and her friend went complete December 1 and heard back third week in January.  That's just about 6 weeks of deliberation if the schools actually looked at the applications during Xmas break. 

Meanwhile my mentee who went complete mid-November but is closer to borderline at those schools heard great news from loyola and hastings last week and still nothing from SC and UCLA.  We're fine with letting them think it over.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: SoCal schools
« on: February 22, 2004, 07:16:32 AM »
Auto rejects (no chance in hell apps) were sent out for Hastings, Loyola, and SC for people who went complete before Jan.  So I think if your numbers are a bit lower than average good luck because no news is still good news they're still thinking about it at least.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Brooklyn Law
« on: February 22, 2004, 06:52:34 AM »
My guess, if you have work experience, you'll be wait listed and then accepted into the evening program in late April/early May....but that's just me playing fortune teller based on what I saw last year.  If you get into their evening program...GO!  Everything's graded on a curve in law school, if you dont have anything to do during the day you can prepare your way to the top of the class, get on journals, and then transfer into the day program as a 2L. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Some TOUGH choices
« on: February 22, 2004, 06:18:33 AM »
and my girlfriend hinting about another. 

This one's easy.  I was in love in law school too...if you're serious about the woman, go wherever she says.  You're about to enter into a 3 year argument, it works best if you give something in the beginning.  Or at least let her think that you're giving something early.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: California law schools
« on: February 22, 2004, 06:12:46 AM »
I met a Whittier grad the other day.  He's doing Real Estate Law and doing extremely well in it.  I will agree that Costa Mesa is a nice town.  I haven't met grads from the other schools, but I would say Whittier is a safe bet. 

Have you thought about Southwestern in Los Angeles county?  People do pretty well for themselves as Southwestern graduates also.  Just something else to think about.

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