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How easy/hard is it to get into the clinics you want? Is it possible to do two semester long clinics in 2L, then one year long one 3L? What do most people usually do?

Also, is it normal for public interest people to go to a firm for 2L summer? While the money would be great, I was under the impression that that could hurt you when looking for public interest jobs..

It really depends on your background/relevant work experience. Some clinics are harder to get into than others, and the profs look for a demonstrated interest (e.g. to get into our capital defense clinic you'll need to have something on your resume that reflects an interest in either doing death penalty work or working with indigent people...you get the idea).  I *believe* you can't do two semester-long clinics in one year, so you can either do one semester long one year and one year long the next, or sometimes two year-longs (although the administration is changing its policy to give preference to applicants to the year-longs who haven't done a year-long the year before...doesn't mean you won't get in, and people definitely do, but it's a little harder).  Hard to say what "most people do". I know a ton of people who do semester longs there 2L year (since year longs are harder to get into) and then a year long their 3L year. I think the people who took more time off between college and law school and had more work experience probably manage to swing doing two year-longs more often. Then again, people that are set on clerking often don't do any clinics, or just do semester-longs their 2L year, since they want to be able to develop a writing sample through a class, work on their Note, take more seminars to build rapport with faculty...it really depends.

And yes, some public interest people do go to firms their 2L summers. There are conflicting opinions on whether or not it hurts your public interest post-grad job search. It partly depends on the post-grad public interest job you want--if you want to work for a glossy (can't stop using that adjective) really well-known nonprofit where you'll be doing high profile impact litigation, the org may look more favorably upon work some firm experience. A public defender's office may not, while a DA's office may--it really depends on the person and the organization.


What most of the public interest people who are going to firms this summer that I know are splitting, spending the first half at a firm and the second half at a non-profit, often getting paid the firm salary the whole time. I have a lot of friends who just choose to do public interest both summers.

Just fyi, if people are thinking of relying on the Loan Repayment Assistance Program at NY, you may be penalized for going to a firm your second summer, in terms of the amount of loans that end up being eligible for repayment by the university. Not always, depends how much you borrow overall (if you live more cheaply/borrow less than the maximum student budget allowance than this is not the case). HTH.

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And hello to Brooklyn.  You had kind words for me back when we were both applying a few years back.  I still remember, and I'm glad law school seems to be treating you well.  -Stanley Watson

Hey there Stanley Watson! Jeez now that I realize who you are I feel kinda bad talking smack about Columbia. :) I'm glad it worked out for both of us, I think at the end of the day the NYU/CLS is really personal decision, influenced by subtle feelings, that are hard to describe. That said, it seems that people are usually happy with their final decision (and either way you can't go *that* wrong).

Anyway, it's clearly time to get back to work.

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I'm a 2L at NYU. I haven't been on this site in over two years but I was just procrastinating finishing studying, and I figured I'd pop in.

Just want to say, I chose NYU over Columbia, and am so deeply grateful to have made this decision. I must say, in some ways Columbia seemed "glossier" if that makes sense. But, just to responde to some of mmg and CLS Troll's points:

1) I LOVED the lawyering program. Every minute of it. It was frustrating in the sense that sometimes I put more work in for an ungraded class than my courses I was being graded in, but you know what? When I got to my summer job last year and was 100% confident in my research, writing and oral advocacy skills (I got to actually represent a client at an administrative trial in NYC) I was SO happy I had taken such an intensive course.
2)Clinics: it's true, our clinical program blows CLS's out of the water. I've heard that at CLS most people that want clinics don't get into them because there are so few. I am literally litigating a case in federal court this year (as a 2L), and I AM my client's attorney (along with my supervisor who is a clinical professor).  There is NO better preparation for real world practice than this. And I'm going to do a year long clinic again next year.
3) If you're interested in public interest (which I am) or you even just think you'll be interested in public interest, NYU has a FAR better program, better resources, etc. The ONLY drawback is you may be the little fish in the big pond of public interest, versus big fish in small pond at CLS. But the networking/connections you make from NYU alum in public interest practices probably makes up for it.
4) Many of my friends actually love law school.
5) Even being a public interest student, I had NO trouble getting a job at a top law firm this summer (and I have far from perfect grades).  I really don't think there's any edge in that area either.

I'm happy to keep answering people's questions.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Outline - OneNote vs. MS Word
« on: September 10, 2006, 09:12:44 AM »
You can't create a table in one note.  I usually create one in word, and then just insert a screenshot of the table.  That's really the *only* function that pisses me off about OneNote; I don't know who the hell thought people wouldn't want tables.

Thanks Jacy!

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Outline - OneNote vs. MS Word
« on: September 10, 2006, 12:09:26 AM »
hey onenote fans--
can someone please answer my question that i posted on a separate thread--

how (the hell) do i create a table in onenote? i don't believe that this function doesn't exist, but i can't figure out how to do it!

cheers,
BK

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Onenote question
« on: September 09, 2006, 03:34:04 PM »
Nobody? come on, help a girl out...

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Incoming 1Ls / Onenote question
« on: September 09, 2006, 02:58:02 PM »
question for all onenote users:

how do you/can you create a table the way you can in word? i just downloaded Onenote and am copying my MS word note but am having a hard time copying tables that i had in my word docs. just wondering if anyone has dealt with this problem?

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: NYU Class of 2009
« on: August 25, 2006, 07:39:56 PM »
see ya then...

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i've been pondering over this same question for weeks now. i think i am leaning towards the x60, becuase:
a) lighter weight--i am not living on campus and will be commuting to NYU via subway. this means i will be carrying my laptop, in a bag on my shoulder for at least an hour a day.
b) i've been using a 12" screen mac for the last five years and the small sIze has never bothered me
c) the t60 doesn't have a firewire port
d)i am trying to convince myself that not having an optical drive is not a big deal. i don't know when the last time i used that drive on my current computer was. obviously when you install software, you are *usually* in you home, where your nice docking station awaits you.

hth.

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Incoming 1Ls / Treo Question
« on: June 23, 2006, 07:56:58 AM »
I am wondering what people think about the differences between the Treo 700P and the 700W, especially with regards to use in law school. For those who don't know, the 700P uses Palm Software and the W uses Windows...up until relatively recently Treos have just been Palm-based and I'm sure there are as lot of devotees to this old system ( plus, they are compatible with Apples). However, given that it looks like I'll be stuck with a Windows platform for the next three years, it's a moot issue.

Anyway, does anyone have any feedback as to which model is the better option? Thanks.

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