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Incoming 1Ls / Re: My advice to the starting 1Ls (LONG)
« on: August 10, 2008, 05:57:40 PM »
Nice work Matthies!

And to give another perspective, I am a T2 grad in the top 1/3, and I have an associate job starting in three weeks that pays 160k.  It can and does happen, but it doesn't fall into your lap.  But then again, should it?  Follow this brilliant thread and the odds will be in your favor.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Windows in a Mac
« on: April 03, 2008, 01:49:21 PM »
Almost all schools now allow exams to be taken on a Mac booting Windows via Apple's Boot Camp.  In fact, the California Bar will allow Macs using Boot Camp for the July bar exam.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Challenge for tier 2 0Ls - find a good job
« on: February 09, 2008, 03:24:44 PM »
Since the haters are doing their job, I'll give them more ammo. :)



My view...



Hate on :)

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Law Professor Writes About 1L Grading
« on: January 29, 2008, 06:34:44 PM »
Thanks for the link... very insightful and intimidating.  I really enjoyed the first 20 pages, but I'm not too confident that the professorís approach will do much to alleviate the situation.  Telling students they're winners despite receiving poor grades (and thereby worse career prospects) seems a bit vacuous.

Anyone else read it?

Thanks for your reply.  As with anything, I'd recommend reading it with a discriminating eye. 

However, I'm not sure your conclusion was where he was driving.  I don't think Professor Morris would say poor grades means you're a winner.  I think he would say not to let grades, especially your first set of grades, define you.  To that end, I completely agree with him.  But as you've correctly pointed out, the near term practical ramifications (i.e. jobs) are problematic.  Professor Morris would probably counter by noting that one of the more famous USD law grads is not famous in law but baseball (Theo Epstein, general manager of the Boston Red Sox).

True.  My statement was more a pithy summary of my feelings about the article.  The author doesnít argue that failing students are winners.  Rather (as you said), he argues that students with poor grades shouldn't give up.  If they "withdraw" from learning, they waste the opportunity to receive an excellent education.

Nonetheless, I feel that the authorís suggested approach will not result in healthier, happier students. Regardless of studentsí attitudes, career prospects are worse for students with poor grades.  And, regardless of studentsí attitudes, students are generally disappointed/anxious/depressed when they realize their career options have worsened.  Therefore, I think itís a bit empty to tell students their grades shouldnít define them.  After all, grades define career prospects, and career prospects are the primary reason students attend law school.

I completely agree with the author that another major cause of students' anxiety/depression is the feelings that they don't have direct control over their own grades.  An external locus of control leads to anxiety, depression, etc.  Students, through feedback, should know what they must do to succeed.  I think the author would agree with me on this.  It just seems the authorís approach is like putting a band-aid on a wound that could have been prevented (or, at least, foreseen).

I think it's the well prepared and informed people, like you, who do well in law school.  You know what you're getting into.  It's not for most people that go, but it is for some people.  I did similar research, knew what I was getting into, and am happy I went.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Law Professor Writes About 1L Grading
« on: January 29, 2008, 10:23:26 AM »

It is SDLR's policy (and most law reviews follow this policy as well) to publish all professors from our school. 
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID1018729_code514132.pdf?abstractid=1018729&mirid=1


My experience is that most Law Reviews specifically avoid publishing professors from their own school.  Neither here nor there for the purposes of this thread, but just my observation.

And what experience is that?

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Law Professor Writes About 1L Grading
« on: January 29, 2008, 02:39:12 AM »
Thanks for the link... very insightful and intimidating.  I really enjoyed the first 20 pages, but I'm not too confident that the professorís approach will do much to alleviate the situation.  Telling students they're winners despite receiving poor grades (and thereby worse career prospects) seems a bit vacuous.

Anyone else read it?

Thanks for your reply.  As with anything, I'd recommend reading it with a discriminating eye. 

However, I'm not sure your conclusion was where he was driving.  I don't think Professor Morris would say poor grades means you're a winner.  I think he would say not to let grades, especially your first set of grades, define you.  To that end, I completely agree with him.  But as you've correctly pointed out, the near term practical ramifications (i.e. jobs) are problematic.  Professor Morris would probably counter by noting that one of the more famous USD law grads is not famous in law but baseball (Theo Epstein, general manager of the Boston Red Sox).

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Challenge for tier 2 0Ls - find a good job
« on: January 29, 2008, 02:31:13 AM »
The hijack thing was funny.

I know of at least 3 USD students who will be summering at Latham.  (One LA, two SD)  Likewise, 4 going to Cooley, 3 to Baker, 4 to DLA, 3 Gibson, 2 Wilson Sonsini (in Palo Alto) and on and on.  Obviously USD doesn't place as many as UCLA/USC/T14/etc.  But, like Matthies said, going to a lesser school in the area you want to work often gets you there.  Good students at DePaul/Kent/John Marshall do quite well in the Chicago market.  Do you need grades?  Yes.    The fact is only ~1200 students graduate from the top 15 every year, but everyone on here pretends to be a Harvard admit.

Here's the USD data for 06.  I know that my year (2008) has done better, and 2009 kicked our ass (2008) in fall OCI.

http://www.sandiego.edu/usdlaw/career/students/data/

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Challenge for tier 2 0Ls - find a good job
« on: January 28, 2008, 02:00:28 PM »
The truth is there are very few good jobs available to anyone during the spring.  I'd bet that the number of good jobs at Berkeley's career services are few and far between.

Actually, bar results come out in winter, and so lots of grads will be looking for work right now. Similarly, 3Ls who didn't get to participate in OCI, and had their mass mailings rejected, will be looking for work right now.

But to humor your poorly thought out contrivance, feel free to post a good job, which will be open to the average tier 2 grad next fall.

You are mentally challenged.  First, even at my "TTT", 97.3% are employed 9 months after graduation.  Let me help you out with the math -- January is 9 months after graduation.  The "lots of grads" statement is therefore ignorant and misplaced. 

Reading the scrambling 3Ls, and there certainly are some of those...   "looking for jobs" does not translate into "job ads."  Don't conflate the two.  As I said, most jobs are in the fall.  I doubt the Cornell job board is particularly impressive these days.  The bids are out and accounted for.  But several of my TTT USD friends are very happy with their positions at Latham that they received in the fall. :)

Facts, not fiction.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Challenge for tier 2 0Ls - find a good job
« on: January 28, 2008, 01:59:32 PM »
The truth is there are very few good jobs available to anyone during the spring.  I'd bet that the number of good jobs at Berkeley's career services are few and far between.

Actually, bar results come out in winter, and so lots of grads will be looking for work right now. Similarly, 3Ls who didn't get to participate in OCI, and had their mass mailings rejected, will be looking for work right now.

But to humor your poorly thought out contrivance, feel free to post a good job, which will be open to the average tier 2 grad next fall.

You are mentally challenged.  First, even at my "TTT", 97.3% are employed 9 months after graduation.  Let me help you out with the math -- January is 9 months after graduation.  The "lots of grads" statement is therefore ignorant and misplaced.  

Reading the scrambling 3Ls, and there certainly are some of those...   "looking for jobs" does not translate into "job ads."  Don't conflate the two.  As I said, most jobs are in the fall.  I doubt the Cornell job board is particularly impressive these days.  The bids are out and accounted for.  But several of my TTT USD friends are very happy with their positions at Latham that they received in the fall. :)

Facts, not fiction.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Challenge for tier 2 0Ls - find a good job
« on: January 28, 2008, 01:57:30 PM »
The truth is there are very few good jobs available to anyone during the spring.  I'd bet that the number of good jobs at Berkeley's career services are few and far between.

Actually, bar results come out in winter, and so lots of grads will be looking for work right now. Similarly, 3Ls who didn't get to participate in OCI, and had their mass mailings rejected, will be looking for work right now.

But to humor your poorly thought out contrivance, feel free to post a good job, which will be open to the average tier 2 grad next fall.

You are mentally challenged.  First, even at my "TTT", 97.3% are employed 9 months after graduation.  Let me help you out with the math -- January is 9 months after graduation.  The "lots of grads" statement is therefore ignorant and misplaced.  

Reading the scrambling 3Ls, and there certainly are some of those...   "looking for jobs" does not translate into "job ads."  Don't conflate the two.  As I said, most jobs are in the fall.  I doubt the Cornell job board is particularly impressive these days.  The bids are out and accounted for.  But several of my TTT USD friends are very happy with their positions at Latham that they received in the fall. :)

Facts, not fiction.

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