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Current Law Students / Re: Law Rev EIC
« on: January 11, 2009, 07:11:14 PM »
Go into the interview prepared to discuss WHY you want to do the job. Everyone campaigning for the position will say they want to do the work--you need to back up your desire with concrete reasons WHY the insane amount of work an EIC does is something you want to take on, and then you need to tell them why you're the best person for the job. Be prepared to discuss what your vision is for the LR, and how you plan to go about implementing it. The more detailed implementation plan you have, the better IMO.

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Transferring / Re: Georgia State v. Emory.... is the money worth it?
« on: July 15, 2008, 08:10:46 PM »
I can't tell you from the Emory side, how things would turn out if you transfer there. Jacy seems indicate that you may have a rough time of it anyway after transferring, if you're set on Atlanta Biglaw.

I can give you some idea about what GSU students can expect w/regards to ATL BigLaw, however, for what it's worth (as Jacy noted, no one student's experience is the be all end all here, so keep that in mind).

I just graduated from GSU, and I'm going to ATL BigLaw. Out of my class of approx. 180, I'd say there's about 20 to 25 students going to "big" firms here (which I'm defining as any firm paying ATL market rate, although some are in reality small boutique firms). That number is probably fairly accurate, as I know most of them--might be off by 2-3 students.

I'm absolutely sure that this is a MUCH smaller number (both absolute and percentage of class) than Emory is sending to BigLaw. What these numbers say to me, anyway, is that yes, it's possible to get into BigLaw from GSU, but it's not easy. You generally have to have excellent credentials (top 20% at the LEAST, although top 15% is more realistic, plus law review) to land OCI interviews, although there are a few exceptions--usually folks who have some highly marketable/desirable skill or background (engineers for IP work, for example). If you're closer to the top 30% of your class than the top 20%, I would predict you'd have a difficult time--difficult, but not necessarily impossible.

All that being said, I would advise caution about taking on the extra debt that Emory would bring--particularly since it's difficult to know what sort of success you'll have at Emory OCI (which I do know is MUCH more extensive the GSU's, so that at least would be a plus). To state the exceedingly obvious, that amount of debt can be a lot to bear, particularly if you struggle to find a high-paying job at the end of it because of your status as a transfer.

If you've already been accepted to Emory, you may want to talk with their CSO about how transfer students fair finding the sort of work you're interested in after joining the population. They probably keep track of that sort of thing. One thing I'd be particularly curious about is how you'd be "ranked" with the current Emory students--would you be unranked for purposes of OCI? Our grading curves our significantly different (ours sucks), so I don't know how that would translate. Could be another hurdle for you to overcome.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Current Law Students / Re: Is Law Review Truly Worth It?
« on: June 09, 2008, 05:37:27 PM »
If you have an opportunity to become a member of your school's law review, you should take it. As others have stated, it is very difficult to get a student piece published with a journal at a school that you don't attend--particularly if you are a student from a lower-ranked law school. Particularly if your interest is in a very narrow field like international public law.

Law review is an excellent credential and an educational experience. With very few exceptions, I truly think that all students who can try for journal membership should do so.

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Current Law Students / Re: GSU v. Emory
« on: March 21, 2008, 02:18:12 PM »


 You just have to go into it realizing what you're signing up for (not everyone does).

whats that?
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Mainly just what has been discussed in this thread. That if your one and only end goal in going to law school is Biglaw, that it's a significantly harder path to get on coming out of GSU than it is out of Emory, or even UGA.

Oh, and you're welcome  :)

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Current Law Students / Re: GSU v. Emory
« on: March 20, 2008, 11:03:18 PM »
AtlAggie,

How difficult is it to make law review at GSU?  Top 15%?  Any suggestions?  I am sarting there in the fall and any advice is greatly appreciated. 

Historically at GSU, if you make it into the top 50% of the class (the current cut off for consideration for LR membership) and can manage to actually finish the write-on competition, then you have a very decent shot of making it on LR. This is because historically not many students actually manage to finish the competition. This could change, of course (more people could participate in the competition) but at least in the past 2 years the number of entries has been relatively low.

Of course, if you manage to do REALLY well your 1L year, you can possibly grade on w/out going through the write-on, but no one should count on being one of the top students in the class when choosing where to go to law school.

Hope that helps. If it eases your mind at all, I'm very happy with my choice to attend GSU. You just have to go into it realizing what you're signing up for (not everyone does).

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Current Law Students / Re: GSU v. Emory
« on: March 18, 2008, 06:27:02 PM »

Regardless, you've specified that you want to work in biglaw.  The choice is clear. Emory will open many more biglaw doors, and will better serve your lateral goals (to another firm, in-house, or prestigious government post).  Plus, in the event you ever leave Atlanta, Emory will travel much better. 

Question: Why no UGA?  Were it between Emory and UGA...then you might have a decision to make..


I think these are good points. First, are you considering UGA at all? From my observations, they place better with ATL Biglaw than GSU, plus they're a heck of a lot cheaper than Emory.

Don't underestimate the value of coming out of school with as little debt as possible (or maybe I should really say don't underestimate the burden that $100K+ in loans will be financially). An Emory degree will without a doubt open the most doors for you in terms of getting into ATL Biglaw. But you really need to keep in mind a few things while making your decision:

An Emory degree will open lots of doors and will travel well, but you still need to do fairly well in school, which is far from a given. As the previous poster said, you need to accept the possibility that you could go to Emory, incur the debt, and yet not make it into Biglaw, at least right out of school.

Even if you make it into Biglaw, coming out of school with over $100K in debt will take a sizable chunk out of your hefty Biglaw paycheck.

UGA & GSU will lead to much less debt, but will significantly reduce your chances at Biglaw. If you choose GSU, will you be happy working as a lawyer even if you can't get a Biglaw job, at least out of school? The upside of this of course is that you'd be making less money, but you'd have less debt to pay.

I think it's a hard choice to make, so good luck to you.

For what it's worth, I'm a 3L at GSU, and in my experience you really need to be in the top 15% of the class and on Law Review to have a decent shot at ATL Biglaw. It's not impossible to get into Biglaw without these credentials, but it seems to be much more difficult once you drop down farther in the class than that.

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Current Law Students / Re: More curve explanations?
« on: January 14, 2008, 08:12:49 PM »
It might be a long shot depending on your school, but my school's CSO has grade/ranking spreads available for previous years. If your CSO has a similar list, you could at least get a rough estimate of where your current grades might place you in your class. Our class rankings are relatively consistent from year to year.

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Current Law Students / Re: Anyone taking the MPRE tomorrow
« on: November 04, 2007, 08:40:51 PM »
I felt like I failed last march and got a 114 or something like that.

Agreed. I took it in August, and my friends and I all had the same feeling. It's typical after finishing the MPRE. Don't worry, we all passed, and I'm sure y'all did too.  :)

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Don't go to Marshall-Atlanta if you don't want to graduate from there.

I agree with this. It is possible to transfer, but you absolutely positively can't count on getting the opportunity to do so. If you really don't want to graduate from JMLS, then it might be better for you to reconsider now, before you've started, and retake the LSAT or do whatever is necessary for you to get admitted to SC (or some other school you really want to graduate from).

To give you some perspective on the difficulty of transferring....I've heard administration officials at my school (GSU) say that they pretty much will only consider the top 1-3 students from JMLS for transfer (not the top 1-3%, but the actual top 1-3 individuals). Good luck whatever you decide.

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Job Search / Re: 1L Summer from a 2L Summer Firms Hiring Perspective
« on: June 09, 2007, 09:41:41 PM »
This is slightly off-topic, but how does spending your 1L summer abroad affect 2L summer jobs? Does anyone ever do an abroad program for the first month and some kind of internship for the last 2 months, or vice versa?

I did this the summer between 1L & 2L and thought it was a great way to spend the summer. Did study abroad for 1 month, came back and interned with a non-profit for the rest of the summer. During most of the OCI interviews I had in the fall, the study abroad came up as a conversation topic. I think it's useful as a way to have something a little different to discuss than many of your classmates, especially if you can think of several intelligent or insightful things to say about your time in the program. If you follow up the study abroad with a particularly interesting internship, it can make for some good 2L interview conversation fodder, which is really important, at least in my experience. I'm currently a Biglaw Summer Associate, so I don't think my choice negatively impacted my job opportunities.

Plus, getting extra credits thru a study abroad program may allow you to take a lighter load in fall of 2L, which many people (myself included) believe is the single most stressful semester of law school, in terms of juggling your schedule.

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