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General Off-Topic Board / Re: whats the freakiest cities?
« on: July 30, 2006, 05:34:46 AM »
how would you order these, from most freaky to least?

san fran bay area
san diego

what do you mean  by "freaky"?

I look at the situation like an incoming prisoner: the people who act like they want to be your friend on the first day are the ones trying to make you their female dog.

I plan to lay back, keep my abilities under wraps, and wait until I see people at a similar level before I try to join a group, if at all.  If you end up in a group where you're the best student, you're wasting your time as a free tutor. If you're the worst student, you're dragging people down and making them hate you. You have to fit in at your own level of understanding and effort.

You also have to be sure you don't get stuck in a group full of worthless people, like gossip-mongers or Republicans.

i didn't know if i should cry or laugh... :-\

relax! it isn't prision and you never need to join a party of sorts...however, study mates are helpful.

Black Law Students / Re: How Come...?
« on: July 30, 2006, 04:57:14 AM »

how come so many ridiculous rituals at weddings?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: briefing a case
« on: July 13, 2006, 08:02:06 PM »

Law School Admissions / Re: Bachelor Degree from Devry????
« on: July 13, 2006, 07:53:35 PM »
Hi there!

check with

and the state bar where you'd like to attend law school.

ABA accredited law schools meet those criterias.

hopefully this helps. also, i have NO idea how devry would compare to a community college. you should weigh the options...ask a LOT of questions to the schools where you're doing your undergrad.

ps: i do know that in some states you can become an attorney without a law degree perse. HOWEVER states that allow this are few and far in between. AND, it's really the VERy, very, very small majority that do 1 in a million.

there was something that i read one time that someone attended Harvard, without an undergrad degree all together because the person was proven to be a succesful professional, who was capable of succeeding in law school. ...

also, for example: In California, all you need to do is pass the CA bar exam!

there are many, many of ways of being an attorney. don't focus on the fact that you have a degree from devry (i'm assuming you have or are thinking about persuing a degree from this school). focus on what you'd like to accomplish.

most people who attend devry want a career in something that's very "trade" related. like being a paralegal. they're not looking for a doctorate degree (a JD is a doctorate degree). however, nothing is impossible!

Financial Aid / Re: Best Private Loans??
« on: June 22, 2006, 08:42:14 PM »
anyone know anything about loans?  what's the deal with these?

poor advertising.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Warranty.
« on: June 22, 2006, 08:39:24 PM »
What do you guys/gals think about computer warranty?  I thought getting a long warranty would be smart, but I'm starting to reconsider.  I take good care of my computer and understand how to keep it running clean, so I'm thinking about just getting a 1 or 2 year to save money.

it would depend on how long of a warranty you're talking about...if length is something to consider, then maybe i should get one that's about 6 feet long. it will probably take me a year to read it. :D

Incoming 1Ls / Re: i want to be a flipflop lawyer
« on: June 22, 2006, 08:36:36 PM »
I thought this thread was going to be about John Kerry.

and, i thought this thread was about george W. bush, the free-basing WMD himself.... protect or destroy? protect or destroy....he can't decide.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: 1L Advice
« on: June 10, 2006, 05:42:38 PM »
I remember being in your shoes this time last year, and I received a lot of good advice from 1Ls, so I thought I'd do a little payback.  Here are my "hints."

Summer Reading:  Do nothing!  You're more likely to learn bad habits trying to be the 0L gunner over the summer.  If you must read, take a look at how courts are structured.  Many people in my class had no idea how the trial/appellate level system worked, and it's important when you're looking for binding vs persuasive authority.  If you're unclear of how they work and/or the hierarchy, read about it because it will not be covered in class. 

Class notes/reading is NOT enough:  Most of you already know this from being on this board, but most of your classmates will not.  One of the most annoying things in law school is how professors love to hide the ball and then expect you to play.  One of the ways to "discover the ball" is through commercial outlines, hornbooks, etc.  I'm partial to Examples and Explanations.  It will take your fellow students a semester to learn this; use it to your advantage!

Study for exams like they're a math test:  Most people approach law exams as though it's their poly sci final-- it's not!  You will be given a factual scenario that you have not seen and asked to apply legal premises to the facts.  This is much like math...  you know the general principles of how to differentiate/integrate/add/etc, but on the exam you'll see the problem in a form that you haven't worked with.  I prepared for my math tests with a formula sheet (which will be your law outline) and through practicing the problems!  I know it's cliche and seems obvious, but you must work hypotheticals in all parts of your class to get a firm grasp.  Nothing will focus you like having to explain the law.  It's all so clear when the professor is working through an issue in class, but, just like math, when it's you and the blank paper, things become more challenging.  You couldn't score well on math without working the problems... same thing here.

Legal writing is not for English majors:  The people with extensive writing backgrounds were crushed in legal writing.  Legal writing looks more like math (surprising?) than English.  They will focus on sharp, condensed sentences.  For an excellent example of modern day legal writing, look up some opinions by judge Easterbrook (7th Circuit court of appeals).  Do not read the opinion for the law, but for an idea of how legal writing should look.  Once you can rid yourself of the idea that you'll be writing verbose prose, the better you'll be.

Take LEEWS:  I can't stress it enough, but that helped me to all As.  There is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat, and I'm sure there are other ways to writing exams which work, but this one is proven.  Buy it.

Half of your class is there because of their parents:  Shocking to learn, but many are there because of outside pressures.  They are not your competition and will not put up much of a fight.  This also tends to be true at the Harvards of the world as well.

Don't be a dickhead:  If someone asks you a question, answer it.  If someone asks which outline you like the best, tell them.  That doesn't mean you have to go around giving up "secrets", but if you're asked a pointed question, give a pointed answer.  It'll serve you much better in the long run.

Do not join anything your first year:  People will disagree with me on this, but you have three years to pad your resume; how about you start by padding it with As?  There's plenty of time for this stuff, but none of that time will be found in your first year.  Get the grades!!

I hope this helps, and I'll post more as it comes to me. :)

wow, thanks. i'll keep all of this in mind!

great post!

I think it matters a lot less higher up the food chain. If I was at HYS or even T14 I don't know if I'd care as much, or at all.

Yeah, I definitly agree with that.

...but I think even for T14 it matters if you are aiming for the very top firms.

From what I've heard, at those firms, grades are more important than LR.

i heard the opposite. i heard grades AND LR kicks serious A*s. you're pretty much guaranteed to be a "top feeder"

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