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Law School Applications / Re: College (represent)!!
« on: July 03, 2004, 10:57:18 PM »
Naw, Quickone,

  I did my first year of ugrad at GW.  Ol' redneck me couldnt swing the room and borad so I came home after one year.

  I'm just a JD hopeful at a public school--USC Law finally let me in after rejecting me and waitlisting me.  The only big show I tried was Tulane, last year.

  Don't fret though.  I know a couple of fellow chickens who flew north of the border to Duke and Chapel Hill.  From what I understand there are also some USCers at Vandy, Gtown, and several--well, 3 of the 4--Ivy law schools.  Just nail your LSAT--mine nailed me(twice)-- and you'll be fine.

  Did you ever have Dr. Fowler for Southern Politics or Political Parties?

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Law School Applications / Re: College (represent)!!
« on: July 03, 2004, 02:13:13 AM »
A proud graduate of the University of South Carolina.
Our mascot, the Fighting Gamecock, is an ass-kicking chicken.  They get that from Revolution hero Thomas Sumter.

I majored in PoliSci, so I had to start the college life at George Washington. Their mascot is the Colonial.  I think they get that from GW's attempts to colonize Foggy Bottom and other proximate DC neighborhoods. 

Go Cocks.
Bleed Garnet.
(Please, for the love of George Rogers) Beat Clempson. And Tennessee.  Orange is the color of chaos.

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Law School Applications / Re: Keeping fit at law school...
« on: July 03, 2004, 01:33:35 AM »
I'm going to change to morning runs.  Columbia, SC isn't runner friendly after 8am between April and October.  You almost have to run with your head down to break through the humidity.  The wet heat down here can knock the *&^% out of ya after a couple of miles, to boot.  Given my druthers, I'd swim, but my feet always cramp up. 

I did undergrad at USC and figured out a nice 5 mile cross country route that--aside from crossing Huger at Blossom--didn't slow me down at traffic lights. Also, the law school has a matterhorn staircase that rivals the Exorcist stairs at Georgetown.  Hopefully I can get used to the early-bird PT.  The thing I fear most (aside from flaming out of school) is getting fat.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Law School Drop Outs
« on: June 24, 2004, 02:42:03 PM »
George F. Handel and Martin Luther.

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Law School Applications / Re: Community college
« on: June 24, 2004, 02:34:44 AM »
Jackie, I had the exact same situation:  Frosh year at Geo. Washington, transferred out with a 3.4 cause of money trouble, did a semester tour at Greenville Technical College
(a sick extension of high school) and graduated from the U of SC.

  Just make sure your grades stay up wherever you transfer.  A prof who interviewed me told me that a red flag went up in my file cause my grades did a roller-coaster.  I went from 3.4 at GW to 3.0 at greenville tech to 2.5 my first semester at USC. (Was working on the weekends and had personal issues to deal with.) My next three semesters at USC, I ran a 3.6, but because of my journeyman ways, I spent my last semester overloaded on frosh req's I hadn't finished, and I got another 2.25.   I got plucked off the waitlist last week at USC Law... Until last Wednesday, I had given up and figured bouncing around in such an inconsistent fashion doomed me to the 4th tier.
 
  Is there anyway you could contact the admit committee at the schools to which you desire a transfer?  Perhaps they could give you a conditional admit--maybe letting you in so long as you get the math course killed within the next year(summer school included, so maybe you would only have to enroll in CC for one course) 

During my travels, I learned all sorts of ways to get around course requirements.  Waivers, Dean's permissions--all sorts of stuff.  Just call the admit offices, tell them you went to a shithot school in northern virgina, and money woes made you leave.  You would like to transfer to a shithot school in North Carolina, but that one little dinky rule is messin up your gig.  Maybe they'll say OK, but you gotta take the math first semester you're there, and you gotta pass, or whatever.

 Good luck.  I think if you could get into Chapel Hill, it would likely be a better spring than Charlotte come law school applyin' time.

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Law School Rankings / Re: Best law schools in the South?
« on: June 23, 2004, 02:40:11 AM »
The Bristol Short-track is not in Virginia.  It's in Bristol, Tennessee.



GO #8!

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I'm headed to U of  SC and there are a number of big Atlanta firms that interview young Gamecock lawyers.  I would imagine that a well-regarded Florida school would have its share of ATL firms looking in on the 3L crop.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Realistic School for me?
« on: June 21, 2004, 11:34:42 PM »
Assuming Fairfield in Connecticut, I would say look inot Quinnipiac and Hofstra.  I'm sure your LSAT isnt as bad as you think it is, tho, so wait and see for sure what that number is.  Also Syracuse, but that's not exactly close.


Good luck!

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Law School Applications / Re: Military Judge Advocate JAG
« on: April 09, 2004, 02:55:20 AM »
Pchan--

    I would think rank and gpa are most important--Also, doing internships, because its a burreaucratic undertaking--might be the best way of getting your foot in the door. The websites actually say that internship/clerkship experience within JAG is very helpful when the selection process occurs.  But as far as reputation, all they care about is ABA approval and that you passed a bar.  In fact, the only flesh and blood Active Duty JAG I know gradded from Cooley.

   To be sure, I would get in contact with the respecitve services' JAG commands and ask them if reputation plays a part.  All the serivces need lawyers, and they should be very forthright.  Especially if you tell them, even as a rising 1L, you're stoked about becoming the best candidate possible, and you want to know if reputation trumps or foritfies a standout class rank.

  I won't have the luxury of reputation problems--In at Tulsa (4th Tier) on the wait-list at Dickinson (3rd Tier) and waiting on a decision from U of SC (#80-something) after a very aggressive lobby.  My plan of action is to get tough and hope I do good first semester, then apply for an internship in all but the Marines, and apply for the Air Force program.  Rather than wait until 3L, I'm gonna do all I can, starting post 1L summer.  At least that's the plan.

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Law School Applications / Re: Military Judge Advocate JAG
« on: April 08, 2004, 01:59:27 AM »
Hey All--

  I'm looking into JAG myself and have been well-acquainted with the process, etc.

  There aren't many tuition benefits by joining up during law school.  The Army is the only branch that accepts law students into ROTC, and you have to go to a school with or promixmate to an Army ROTC Unit. Most civilians, however, get into Army JAG via Direct Commission.

  The Air Force has a program to which you apply during your first year.  If accepted, you go to summer training after 1L and 2L, then you are guaranteed a slot in the Air Force JAG.  Other than summer training, there is no drill or anytihng like that during the school year. Again, no substantial tuition benefits.  AF also accepts JAGs via direct commission.

  The Navy and Coast Guard, to my knowledge, only take civilians via direct commissions, i.e., you interview and apply for a commission just as you would apply for an associate's position at a civilian law firm. This happens during 3L year.

  The Marines, contrary to public belief, have their own JAGs, but their process is different.  The Corps mentality is that you have to be a Marine like the rest of the Corps, so they make you go to Officer Candidate School in Quantico for two summers (5 wks. a hit) or for one 11 week summer.  After you grad. from law school and become commissioned, you go to a 6 (I think) month gig called The Basic School, where you learn tactics and such, right alongside the Infantry Officers.

 Commissions last between 3-4 years.  If you stay in past the first 3-4 years, they help with loan repayments.  You get credit for the time you spend in training during school, which counts when it comes time for retirement and promotions (if you stay in)  You're also commissioned as a first lieutenant(Lieutenant Junior Grade in the Navy/CG) and all branches JAGs seem to expereince a  rapid promotion to Captain (Full Lieutenant in the Navy/CG) Usually, as a staff officer, you are partially immune to the doggedness a lot of junior officers experience.

  Assignments are worldwide.  Usually, each installation has a Staff Judge Advocate.  I think every command has one as well.  This means if you join Navy JAG, and you get a billet on a carrier group, its ships ahoy for six months on an aircraft carrier or destroyer. If you get assigned to a Marine Expeditionary Unit, you get to be on a ship AND travel with the Marines if they get deployed in combat.  There are JAGs right now in Iraq.  Even though they're non-combatants, they are still in harm's way sometimes.

  As a new Judge Advocate,your time is spent arguing both sides of mostly criminal trials and doing small firm work for servicepersons and their families--wills, contract disputes, custody battles.  As you get noticed/get good/get promoted, you could potentially move into specialized litigation and stuff like international law, but civilian attorneys--employed by DoD--do a lot of that stuff.

The services-except the Marines-- all offer internships during the summer.

Once you get commissioned, the Services all take their new JAGs and put 'em through watered down basic training periods-- 4 to 6 weeks, then 2-8 months of legal training. The Marines are the only ones that don't-they make you go to full blown Officer's Boot Camp instead.  After that, if you stay on, they pay for LL M's (The army JAG school on UVA's campus is ABA accredited and awards LLMs) and I have heard that its easy for JAG's to crossover to GS positions (AUSA, Staff Counsel at State, Energy, etc.) I dunno about that one for sure, though.

I got fed a bad beef by a recruiter in high school and started out college as a scholarship ROT-C mid.  While its possible for ROTC folks and Academy grads to go straight from ugrad to law, you gotta be shithot--good grades, LSAT, the works.  After a year, when my buddies all wanted to drive ships and fly jetplanes and I still wanted to be a lawyer, I dropped my scholarship.  Hopefully I'll find a niche in a JAG outfit.  I figure it will be good practical trial experience, the med/PX/Space-A benefits are hard to beat, and It'll satisfy my travellin' jones.  It's a little more 9-to5ish, too, and you're sometimes helping folks out that go through a lot of gruff.

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